The One-Answer Question Thread [closed]

[Nickmaovich]

Hi guys. How can i switch to color-neutral?I was guessing just solving one week with another color, and each 3 trying to make solves from suitable color (to make easy cross). Will this work?)

 

[MrIndianTeen]

Hi guys. How can i switch to color-neutral?I was guessing just solving one week with another color, and each 3 trying to make solves from suitable color (to make easy cross). Will this work?)

I would just go with whichever cross looks best to you. At first, don't time your inspection. Once you feel confident, then time them. Don't try to drill a certain cross color into your head

 

[Clayy9]

Hi guys. How can i switch to color-neutral?I was guessing just solving one week with another color, and each 3 trying to make solves from suitable color (to make easy cross). Will this work?)

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?25663-My-Quest-to-Color-Neutrality-Any-Tips

 

[kpcube]

Originally Posted by Nickmaovich

Hi guys. How can i switch to color-neutral?I was guessing just solving one week with another color, and each 3 trying to make solves from suitable color (to make easy cross). Will this work?)

I would just go with whichever cross looks best to you. At first, don't time your inspection. Once you feel confident, then time them. Don't try to drill a certain cross color into your head

This is what I did really the cross was never the issue for me when it came to CN it was the recognition for the rest of the cube that was killer.

sorry for the multi-quote fail

 

[EricReese]

So..you don't really do F2L in 8 seconds, you do it in 14. <_< cross is a part of the first 2 layers

 

[Xishem]

So..you don't really do F2L in 8 seconds, you do it in 14. <_< cross is a part of the first 2 layers

Is that why it's called CFOP, and not FOP?

 

[EricReese]

The F2L step is known as completing the first 2 layers, its not exclusively starting then finishing the first 2 layers

 

[uberCuber]

Is that why it's called CFOP, and not FOP?

Cross
Finish F2L
OLL
PLL

ya

 

[Andrew Ricci]

What would be classified as a forced last layer skip?

 

[Bapao]

What would be classified as a forced last layer skip?

A very good question that I've been asking myself all day after a post I read this morning. Hope you get an answer.

 

[5BLD]

It would have a rather vague definition... To me a forced LL skip is just a last layer skip with the cuber's intention of doing so. That's it really.
Like the cuber kind of influenced it to skip it, or did something necessary to get that skip. They got the skip knowing they were going to get it.

 

[uberCuber]

I would word it as when the cuber intentionally inserts the last corner-edge pair in a different way than they normally would, resulting in a LL skip.

Of course that doesn't apply to all methods though

 

[Bapao]

It would have a rather vague definition... To me a forced LL skip is just a last layer skip with the cuber's intention of doing so. That's it really.
Like the cuber kind of influenced it to skip it, or did something necessary to get that skip. They got the skip knowing they were going to get it.

How would one go about achieving that in practice?

EDIT

I would word it as when the cuber intentionally inserts the last corner-edge pair in a different way than they normally would, resulting in a LL skip.

Of course that doesn't apply to all methods though

Ninja.

I see. Which methods make such a feat easier?

 

[Rpotts]

well you could have a last slot + LL that's just a conjugated PLL, or a corner comm or block comm. You could also have just a pure edge flip (pair in place, edge flipped+1/3 edges flipped in LL) or pure corner twist. You could also have an LS + LL thats sexy variations like a 4cycle like (R' F R F')3

Surely theres more. I've had an LS+LL that was just x' J perm (or something similar)

 

[5BLD]

How would one go about achieving that in practice?



I see. Which methods make such a feat easier?

1) Erm, possibly having a set of mini-algorithms which do certain things as you insert the last pair.
Last layer skips in real solves, however would happen partly on luck, or simply by knowing like hundreds of cases. It could be simplified by using certain conditions, like edges oriented, or corner filled in or something to reduce the number of cases.
Or maybe sometimes by common sense? Like if you see that inserting a pair with r U R' U' M would solve it instead of doing U' F' U F?
A forced last layer skip would be either very unlikely or very algorithm-intensive.
Something like a LS+LL. You could possibly force a skip for some easy cases.

2) Well, you need to take into account that some methods don't have last layers. So let's say last step skips.
Heise has a higher chance to skip i believe the L3C, for example, because there are only three corners left.
Petrus has all edges oriented but I'm not sure whether this is better.
Roux has only six edges and centres, so maybe it's more likely.

 

[Bapao]

very unlikely or very algorithm-intensive.

That's what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up for me though

Heise has a higher chance to skip

Ok. But what from I've read so far, it's harder to get "fast" using Heise as opposed to other methods? Is that true though? So a forced skip whilst implementing Heise might not make that much of a difference in practice?

 

[5BLD]

Yep. I was thinking in theory, but in practice, heise is very hard to get used to and to get fast. I use it sometimes, and most of the time is taken up by thinking about commutators.
But that's just me. Heise could be fast, it's just that so few people use it. I might actually take a week off roux and see how fast I can get with heise in a week (I'm like 40 seconds with heise but 16-18 seconds with roux so heise will improve quickly methinks- just have to get used to it).

For the moment, however, we don't know the future of heise. CFOP is in my opinion the most developed- what with the MGLS, ZBF2L, VH, you name it, Petrus a bit by Erik and others, Roux maybe by Thom (with his KCLL) and some others, and Heise- I don't even know any cuber who uses heise for speedsolving let alone being faster than me. So I guess the future for the less used methods is unknown...

 

[Bapao]

Yep. I was thinking in theory, but in practice, heise is very hard to get used to and to get fast. I use it sometimes, and most of the time is taken up by thinking about commutators.
But that's just me. Heise could be fast, it's just that so few people use it. I might actually take a week off roux and see how fast I can get with heise in a week (I'm like 40 seconds with heise but 16-18 seconds with roux so heise will improve quickly methinks- just have to get used to it).

For the moment, however, we don't know the future of heise. CFOP is in my opinion the most developed- what with the MGLS, ZBF2L, VH, you name it, Petrus a bit by Erik and others, Roux maybe by Thom (with his KCLL) and some others, and Heise- I don't even know any cuber who uses heise for speedsolving let alone being faster than me. So I guess the future for the less used methods is unknown...

This post actually got me excited about the prospects of new methods and the future of cubing in general. Thank you.

 

[5BLD]

This post actually got me excited about the prospects of new methods and the future of cubing in general. Thank you.

Glad we share the same thoughts
You know what? I'm gonna lay of roux for a week or two and focus on heise and see where it leads me... Who knows? It might turn out to be extremely fast.

 

[Bapao]

Glad we share the same thoughts
You know what? I'm gonna lay of roux for a week or two and focus on heise and see where it leads me...

Keep us/me posted on your progress please, intreaguing