# [Help Thread]F2L Discussion and Help

#### Iwannaganx

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I'm learning F2L at the moment and my times are very inconsistent, ranging from 50 seconds to 30 seconds. A few questions:
Should I keep practicing with only F2L or practice LBL as well?
I've only done 5 solves but those times were very inconsistent based on how easy the pairs were. Is this a problem?
I average 45 sec so F2L isn't really changing my times except to make them very inconsistent. This is most likely because I haven't been doing F2l for long but still this seems a problem as well.
Also any videos on intuitive F2L will be appreciated, albeit the jperm one.

#### Electrical

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Whenever you learn new cubing techniques theymake you slower at first becuase you haven't practiced them enough, however if you practice F2L more and get used to it, your times will improve.

#### Iwannaganx

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Yeah thought that would be the case

#### Micah Morrison

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I have not been practicing Fridrich F2L more than a few weeks.

I wrote these personal notes for helping myself out getting better.
if you have any thoughts feel free to post them.

my biggest problem is to spot the two pieces (looking ahead). putting them together is really intuitiv when you get the hang of it. the challenge here is to know the fastest way to do it. pairing up can be done in many ways. some ways can just be done in less moves than others.

I found that once you can cathegorize the sitations in your head it becomes easy to "find" the solution to it.

I cathegorize as follows:

1. pieces already next to each other
2. seperate pieces

pairs can either already be solved correctly or you have to take them apart and bring them back together correctly.

seperate pieces "just" have to be put together corectly.

when you work the pieces around the top layer remember to use an unsolved slot.

most of the time you have to bring one of the two pieces into the f2l keeping one piece in the top layer. from there you can position it so when the other piece is taken back they are in either a pair or a potenstional set.

moves from here is found in the very basic solution.

also, please correct me if you find errors

-Sigurd
look up f2l algorithms to find the most efficient way to solve each case

#### RNKnight

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I use CFOP with 2LLL. I used to be sub-90 when I used LBL, Now I'm sub-60. And, I spend too much time on F2L, like, 30 seconds. How do I improve? And I'm also reluctant to learn 1LLL because I really can't remember that many algs.

#### David ep

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Learn full pll and oll and turn fast and look ahead

#### PetrusQuber

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Hmmm. You’re already on 2lll which is fine. What is the problem with your F2L?

#### RNKnight

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As I already said, I don't want full pll or oll just yet.

Idk I take too much time to pair them.

#### GAN 356 X

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As I already said, I don't want full pll or oll just yet.

Idk I take too much time to pair them.

#### RNKnight

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About 8 seconds for cross, about 22 seconds for f2l and abot 20 seconds for LL

#### PetrusQuber

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As I already said, I don't want full pll or oll just yet.

Idk I take too much time to pair them.
Wait, so you’re using four look last layer? Do you orient edges, orient corners, etc?
As for the F2L, know all the cases and make sure execution is robotic so you can lookahead

#### RNKnight

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Is that the J Perm one? I learnt CFoP from J Perm. I'm on my kindle, ccan't watch videos.

#### GAN 356 X

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I currently know f2l, and I am thinking of learning the advanced cases from jperm's pdf. I tend to agree with what Lazermonkey said as trying to work it out by yourself can be challenging, and learning the optimal execution is extremely helpful if you have trouble. Stealing from another thread, someone stated that at first they will seem to be algorithm based then when you do them more they will seem intuitive and make sense. Continue learning, its worth it in the long run

#### RNKnight

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Yeah, 4LLL. Yeah, Yellow cross, OLL Orient corners, orient edges.

#### RNKnight

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OK I'll watch that. How do you quote btw?

#### Iwannaganx

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Watch jperm learn finger tricks and practice

#### RNKnight

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I use a lot of the finger tricks, I don't need all of them, like D or B.

#### PetrusQuber

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OK I'll watch that. How do you quote btw?
Quote button, insert quotes. Ok so make sure u know where all cross pieces are in inspection, plan it out maybe, and also, just drill last layer. 4LLL can be sub 15

#### GAN 356 X

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Watch jperm learn finger tricks and practice
Dont limit practice to just doing times solves. Learn algorithms and drill them continuously, watch videos on new ideas and concepts, Jperm especially. He is the GOAT

#### Iwannaganx

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I use a lot of the finger tricks, I don't need all of them, like D or B.
B/D is important for some algs later tho. It's easy to learn them as soon as possible

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