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Diving Cuber

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Hello, I have just learned beginner CFOP Oll, and PLL. However the one thing i'm struggling on learning is F2L. I just can't get a grip on it and am struggling. I am usually a quick learner and learned OLL, and PLL in a week with no struggle. I have watched JPERM's video on it fully while focusing but struggle a lot. Any tips on helping me learn it?
I struggled with f2l a lot too. Try watching other tutorials because his tutorials are good but very fast. Also just mess around with it a bunch and you'll figure it out eventually. In the begining you will be slow too but that is normal
 

3Squareheadz

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This sounds really cliché, but to be honest, the best thing you can do is practice. I know you’ve probably heard that a lot, but I don’t really know what else to say, other than, “how long have you been practicing/learning F2L?”
Around a week and a half. Today is an off day from school so I've been looking alot
 
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Learn intuitive f2l, that is, the logic of forming the basic 2 f2l pairs




you should have learned that by watching that video.

To drop your times, learn better ways to go from each of the remaining cases to the basic cases.
if you're having trouble, I made this "reduction" f2l method:

http://filipeteixeira.com.br/cube/f2l.pdf

this method consist on a progressive way to learn f2l

Try to understand how to form pairs and go from one complex case to a formed or splitted pair. Then look for algs and tricks for cases you're finding hard.

this might help: http://algdb.net/puzzle/333/f2l

have patience and good luck!
 
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When I was a beginner, I just learned f2l intuitively and focused on getting to know them once you get more advanced, you can find better options. So yeah. Just try to learn it intuitively.
 

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Ayy its J Perm, I learned F2L from him too, its probably the best video so you made a good choice.

If you JUST learned F2L, like in the past couple days or even week, the best thing to do to improve F2L is to just do a bunch of solves. Sounds lame, but you will get familiar with the cases, and this is really the best way to get faster.

But also, to make sure you're not doing some things inefficiently, try to follow these tips:
-Every F2L case should be solved with 0 or 1 cube rotation. If you're using 2 for any case, try to figure out a way to do it in only 1/0 (it’s always possible)
-Most F2L cases can be solved in ~7 moves, and 11 is the most you’ll ever need.
Whenever an edge or corner is not on the top layer, try to put it up in a way that makes one of the insert cases, although this isn’t that important if you’ve just learned F2L.
-Try to solving pairs blind, just look at at and solve it without looking at, this might help you with lookahead, although again, this isn’t that important if you’ve just learned F2L.

So basically the actual best advice here is just ‘practice’.
 

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What do you mean by two look f2l? Ive never heard someone talk about it.
Do you mean inserting a corner and then doing an alg to insert the edge, cause that would be layer by layer f2l, not two look.
 

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What do you mean by two look f2l? Ive never heard someone talk about it.
Do you mean inserting a corner and then doing an alg to insert the edge, cause that would be layer by layer f2l, not two look.
Yea, and the reason I call it 2 look f2l is because a youtuber name J Perm calls it that so yeee...
 
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Etotheipi

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Maybe he would call it two step f2l, two look would be more advanced than normal f2l. But you asked for tips, so ill try to help. Practice the alg a lot so that you dont have to think about the moves, and try to look for the next edge while doing the alg. If your still on a rubiks brand, then upgrade as soon as possible to a little magic or something. Practice in general will help. =D
 

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2-look F2L, ah I wish we could do that-
1. EO2x2x3
2. Right Block
Petrus FTW??

In all seriousness, I’m not really sure what you mean, people are saying corners and edges separately which sort of makes sense I guess.
To get faster you’d probably benefit by just doing a bunch of solves. Sounds boring, but you’ll get used to it and is probably the best thing you can do.

But if you just want to generally get faster at F2L, I have three things:
1. Watch J-Perm’s F2L tutorial on YouTube. He shows you how to solve F2L in pairs instead of corners and edge separately.
2. Buy a Little Magic 3x3 cube etotheipi said if your cube is a Rubik’s brand or you simply think it sucks or you just want a good cube.
3. Practice solves. Once you learn normal F2L (pairs) then you might even be SLOWER with it! Don’t worry, if you simply do lots of solves you will get used to it and will become faster.
 
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I don't see a benefit on solving a corner then looking for it's edge then solving it.

I could recommend doing corners without rotating then trying to solve more than 1 edge a time with commutators.

But if you're putting so much effort on doing that, just learn the standard f2l already. :-\
 

Diving Cuber

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Hello. I average around 19 seconds using the intuitive side of advanced f2l and a few f2l algorithms. I was wondering, how many advanced f2l cases do I need to know to become sub 15.
 

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Hello. I average around 19 seconds using the intuitive side of advanced f2l and a few f2l algorithms. I was wondering, how many advanced f2l cases do I need to know to become sub 15.
You need to know none to become sub-15, feel free to learn as many as you like as they can help with your times.
 
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