The New Method / Substep / Concept Idea Thread

[Hazel]

you mean step 1 right? step 2 is just pbl

They aren't talking about Ortega.. as I understand it, step one is orienting the pieces in such a way that the U and D faces have only yellow and white, and step two is solving everything else. Step two has significantly worse recognition and many more algorithms than Ortega's PBL, and the algs would probably be worse too... step one's recognition would only consist of recognizing the equivalent of OLL on the U and D faces which isn't hard at all.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

They aren't talking about Ortega.. as I understand it, step one is orienting the pieces in such a way that the U and D faces have only yellow and white, and step two is solving everything else. Step two has significantly worse recognition and many more algorithms than Ortega's PBL, and the algs would probably be worse too... step one's recognition would only consist of recognizing the equivalent of OLL on the U and D faces which isn't hard at all.

so that includes separation?

 

[Hazel]

so that includes separation?

For step 2 recognition? Well you have both white and yellow edges on both layers, so you would have to recognize the specific orientation case (ie. what patter of white/yellow on the top and what pattern on the bottom) as well as permutation. For the number of cases (600+ if I'm not mistaken) learning all of that would be extremely difficult. So to answer your question, I think yes.
(White/yellow can be replaced by green/blue or orange/red, I just used this for clarity)

 

[Deleted member 36445]

For step 2 recognition? Well you have both white and yellow edges on both layers, so you would have to recognize the specific orientation case (ie. what patter of white/yellow on the top and what pattern on the bottom) as well as permutation. For the number of cases (600+ if I'm not mistaken) learning all of that would be extremely difficult. So to answer your question, I think yes.
(White/yellow can be replaced by green/blue or orange/red, I just used this for clarity)

edges?

 

[Hazel]

edges?

corners*

 

[Hazel]

If anyone finds it useful, I just finished making all 19 L8EO algorithms! https://www.mirazel.com/cubing/pcms/eo
I'm steadily increasing the number of resources for the PCMS method on that website. I know PCMS isn't the best method, but it's the most fun one out there imo

 

[Deleted member 36445]

nice, Miranda!

 

[ImmolatedMarmoset]

I'm not sure if I've ever proposed this method on this thread before, but I might as well do it now. The method utilises CP during FB just as Briggs 1 and 2 both use and is similar to Roux, but the main thing about this method is that to know it in its entirety you need 28 <RU> algorithms, with one of the algorithms simply being an R and the longest being 11 moves. The steps are as follows:

1. CPFB, 9 moves
2. Triplet at DR. This consists of an E slice edge being placed at DR with 2 corners orientated relative to it, 5 moves.
3. Orientation belt. This is where the algs come in (they require the other E slice edge to be orientated on U), 9 moves.
4. SB while preserving orientation. This uses <R2MU>, 8 moves.
5. LSE, exactly the same as Roux, 13 moves.

Average movecount≈44. Please tell me if any of my numbers are incorrect.
You can find the algs here.
In terms of speedsolving viability, it's a solid maybe. I don't see anyone getting fast with it or bothering to learn it and I also don't see people pushing it to its limit, but I like it.

I think I’ll learn it at some point and see how it is, thanks!

 

[Anthem]

Does anyone know a website were u could make like Ortega algs 4 3x3

 

[Anthem]

so like oll but with some yellow edges in the middle layer

 

[Anthem]

and pbl 4 3x3 , just an idea

 

[efattah]

The Ortega method already exists for 3x3 and there is a website for it. Also you can look in the LMCF document which is a superset of the ortega method. It's not what you're thinking though.

 

[Anthem]

thank you can you give me the website

 

[Anthem]

but i am talking about the whole face including gedges

 

[WoowyBaby]

@Anthem Can you please use only 1 or 2 posts instead of 5? You know you can put more than a sentence into one post, and if you forgot to say something you can just edit your post and add it. I really hope I'm not sounding rude

As with your 3x3 Ortega idea, I'm just not sure what you're trying to say, tbh I don't think anyone does, if you want to explain it more that'd be great.

 

[Hazel]

@WoowyBaby I think he means like you solve one side and then do an alg to get the opposite side and then do an alg to solve the rest?
@Anthem If my interpretation of your method is correct, the number of algorithms would be ridiculously high, far too many for a human to be capable of. I image the algs for that OLL step would also be pretty poor... if you still want to be able to generate algorithms, look into the program Cube Explorer.

 

[Anthem]

THANK YOU exactly, but I don't think it would be much more than full zbll

 

[PapaSmurf]

For PLL there are 44 cases including 'parity'. For PBL there are (44^2)/2 cases (divided by 2 as you can't have parity on only one layer). That is 968 algorithms. ZBLL is 493.
To explain the parity bit, there are 44 ways to arrange the PLL pieces if you take them out of the cube and put them in again (as you can have 2 pieces swapped unlike normally). On the U layer for every PLL case on D you can have one of 44 PLLs. That means that you have 44^2 PLLs, but remember that this is just taking the pieces out, so you have to divide by 2 to take that into account. What it seems that you're suggesting is that but with 4 extra edges, so it is definitely not humanly viable. PBL is stretching it.

 

[Anthem]

Ok thanks, but could there be 2 or 4 look pbl to make sure there are less algs

 

[Skewbed]

Ok thanks, but could there be 2 or 4 look pbl to make sure there are less algs

For 2 look PBL, you could do PLL+Parity, then rotate to the other side and do PLL.

What method would this be for? Domino reduction? Belt?