# [Help Thread]F2L Discussion and Help

#### BenChristman1

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Or you could just do F’ U’ F, which, in my opinion, is better than this alg and better than rotating.

#### qwr

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I'm pretty sure cube rotating and quick 3 move insert is faster than 3 extra moves which include M in both directions

#### The_dark_cuber

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I am struggling alot with F2l cases where corner is on top and the edge is in (correct/ wrong) slot. Can someone link me to any website/ pdf which has algs for solving cases when the corner (all 3 orientations) is in top layer and the edge is in correct/ wrong slot, oriented correctly or flipped from all angles?

#### A Perm

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I'm pretty sure cube rotating and quick 3 move insert is faster than 3 extra moves which include M in both directions

Thank you for guiding me. Or else I would have started using this bad algorithm.

However, I am still curious why is this algorithm so bad. I can do this algorithm much faster than cube rotating and then inserting it. Maybe that is because of one of my specific weaknesses.

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#### Deleted member 55877

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Thank you for guiding me. Or else I would have started using this bad algorithm.

However, I am still curious why is this algorithm so bad. I can do this algorithm much faster than cube rotating and then inserting it. Maybe that is because of one of my specific weaknesses.
Perhaps you need to practice rotating. Rotating is quite fast. The average rotation takes less than 0.2 seconds

#### qwr

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rotating is used a lot by beginners I think and it's slow but sometimes the alternative is even slower?

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#### Deleted member 55877

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rotating is used a lot by beginners I think and it's slow but sometimes the alternative is even slower?
rotating isn't bad if you're doing it for a reason. smart rotations are good, rotating without a clue what you're doing is bad

qwr

#### qwr

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is there an easy way to remember the stuck together f2l cases?

I kinda use a hodgepodge of methods
f2l 11: U' R U2 R' U F' U' F (although y' R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R' is probably better)
f2l 12: R' U2' R2 U R2' U R (the special case)
f2l 13: y' and solve with UR
f2l 14: solve UR
f2l 15: I do U sledge alg
f2l 16: R U' R' U2 F' U' F (although I forget this one)
f2l 17: push over with R
f2l 18: y' R' U2 R U R' U' R, although maybe R' F R F' R U' R' U R U' R' is better

#### JTM007

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F2L slow turning to improve look ahead
Hey guys. I average around 17 seconds on 3x3. And have just started to really focus on turning slowly to improve my look ahead so I can turn without pauses and trying to avoid rotations.
If I practice this every day how long do you guys think itll take for me to start shaving my averages down and noticing improvements?
Thanks

#### zzoomer

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Regarding the turning, how slow is "slowly"?
I think it would be best if you upload some solves, so that we can see what areas need improvement.
As for how long it will take for you to shave your averages, it depends on how much you practice. If you're practicing daily then you should be already shaving down your times (unless you're practicing in an inefficient way)

#### JTM007

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Regarding the turning, how slow is "slowly"?
I think it would be best if you upload some solves, so that we can see what areas need improvement.
As for how long it will take for you to shave your averages, it depends on how much you practice. If you're practicing daily then you should be already shaving down your times (unless you're practicing in an inefficient way)
Would you be willing to critique my solves if I sent you an average on 5?

#### JTM007

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Thank you mate. I'll do an average of five in a few hours and send it to you. How should I send it? I think you cant send large files on this site.

#### zzoomer

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Thank you mate. I'll do an average of five in a few hours and send it to you. How should I send it? I think you cant send large files on this site.
Any way is fine, Youtube is probably the easiest.

#### JTM007

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Any way is fine, Youtube is probably the easiest.
So you want me to upload the average of 5 onto my channel and then send you the link?

#### zzoomer

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So you want me to upload the average of 5 onto my channel and then send you the link?
If that's what's easiest for you, yeah.

#### IvyCubism

##### Member
Hi! Okay so let's start

( Abbreviations used in this thread:
AV/(number)s = Average solve,
PB/(number)s = Personal Best solve )

My Cube: GAN 3x3 365M Standard
My Pb: 26.84

My Problems:
1st
: Too many moves to solve F2L
2nd: My Look-Ahead is TERRIBLE plez help me
3th: I need some fast shortcut algorithms for cross and F2L