# [Help Thread]F2L Discussion and Help

#### HD Truong Giang

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I learn algorithms pretty fast, 10 minutes per algorithm.

#### Waffles

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I learn algorithms pretty fast, 10 minutes per algorithm.
So to learn full ZBLL you would need 8 hours in theory.

#### Beginner cuber

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Can anyone recommend me a REAL f2l tutorial

#### White KB

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Can anyone recommend me a REAL f2l tutorial
A plethora (TM) of F2L tutorials from BrodytheCuber (USA) (27)
A second plethora (TM) of F2L tutorials from J Perm (Canada) (35)
A third plethora (TM) of F2L tutorials from Feliks Zemdegs himself (Australia) (6)
A fourth plethora (TM) of F2L tutorials, also from Feliks Zemdegs himself (Australia) (16)
A fifth plethora (TM) of F2L tutorials, which just so happens to also be from Feliks Zemdegs himself (Australia) (12)

Hopefully, at least one of those 98 tutorials should work. If you have watched every video all the way through and have found nothing helpful, then please let me know.

#### fadsarmy

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Is there a better way to solve this F2l case in the BR slot (Inverse R' U R d' R U' R' U y')? I usually use U2 (f R f') U' (R' U R).

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#### Cubing Forever

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Is there a better way to solve this F2l case in the BR slot (Inverse R' U R d' R U' R' U y')? I usually use U2 (f R f') U' (R' U R).
d' R' F R F' R U' R' or if you like fancy stuff, U R f' U' f R' U R

#### fadsarmy

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d' R' F R F' R U' R' or if you like fancy stuff, U R f' U' f R' U R
R' U R d' R U' R' U y' doesn't give you that case?

#### fadsarmy

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Say your last F2L pair is in the FL slot and can easily be solved there, is it wise to rotate so it's now the FR slot for better edge control?

#### White KB

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Say your last F2L pair is in the FL slot and can easily be solved there, is it wise to rotate so it's now the FR slot for better edge control?
Good question!
My answer is no, not generally. Usually, the best idea is to do a mirrored alg with your left hand or to use a unique algorithm to solve it into the left slot. If the algorithm is awkward and is going to take longer than it takes to rotate and right-hand it, then rotating would be a good idea in that case. In the long-term, however, it's a good idea to practice lefty algs so you can improve at them.
I hope that answers your question. If it doesn't, try looking at the Speedsolving.com Wiki.

#### fadsarmy

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Good question!
My answer is no, not generally. Usually, the best idea is to do a mirrored alg with your left hand or to use a unique algorithm to solve it into the left slot. If the algorithm is awkward and is going to take longer than it takes to rotate and right-hand it, then rotating would be a good idea in that case. In the long-term, however, it's a good idea to practice lefty algs so you can improve at them.
I hope that answers your question. If it doesn't, try looking at the Speedsolving.com Wiki.
That's good enough for me, thanks.

#### Cozy

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I've started to get more and more sub 15 averages, but its getting really hard to improve further. After looking into how long I take for each step of the solve I found my F2L taking the longest (which makes sense don't get me wrong), but I still can't help but think that this is something I can improve a lot. My time distribution usually looks something like this:
- Cross ~3 seconds​
- F2L ~8 seconds​
- OLL 2-4 seconds (depending on if I know the case or if I do it 2 Look)​
- PLL 1-2 seconds​
Is there a website to train this on? Is there a specific type of training I can do? Just more efficient / different F2L algs? With this thread I hope people can share similar experiences and tips on how to improve lookahead or F2L in general.

#### zzoomer

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I've started to get more and more sub 15 averages, but its getting really hard to improve further. After looking into how long I take for each step of the solve I found my F2L taking the longest (which makes sense don't get me wrong), but I still can't help but think that this is something I can improve a lot. My time distribution usually looks something like this:
- Cross ~3 seconds​
- F2L ~8 seconds​
- OLL 2-4 seconds (depending on if I know the case or if I do it 2 Look)​
- PLL 1-2 seconds​
Is there a website to train this on? Is there a specific type of training I can do? Just more efficient / different F2L algs? With this thread I hope people can share similar experiences and tips on how to improve lookahead or F2L in general.
You should work on cross (3s is quite slow) and finishing full OLL. Your F2L is pretty decent.

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