[Help Thread] F2L Discussion and Help

[macky]

Dennis, of all people, knows about multislotting. The question should be how many top cubers these days use it in speedsolves.

 

[Hershey]

Doesn't Feliks use a bit of multislotting?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b_OnvzkHdM&feature=channel_video_title

 

[Dennis]

Feliks definitely seem to know whats going on with the different inserts as seem from the video. He also uses slanting (mis-aligned pairs) I noticed for one of the solves, a nice trick I also like.

Anyway, I sat down and studied the different insertions for when the pair is connected, maybe I overdid it a bit .(see image), but being aware of all this helps you set up the next pair and multislot I think.

 

[Arkwell]

Feliks crushing F2L.

Guys, I've always heard that F2L determines your times and I was just looking at some of Feliks's vids and he just crushes F2L from every angle. I went to reconstructions and it seems like he uses every usable F2L algorithm there is(well at least the ones from SS Database & BOCA) I thought he was intuitive but now I'm wondering if he practiced the crap out of F2L to be able to do that or did he do some F2L alg study to help speed up his F2L?

Do any of you study F2L to augment your intuitive F2L?

 

[Faz]

I don't think that my F2L is that crazy at all. I just learnt intuitive, and most of the other things I do I picked up from just doing lots of solves.

Breandan on the other hand >_>

But seriously, there is so much F2L stuff (macky's site) out there - which I couldn't imagine myself learning.

 

[MalusDB]

I don't think that my F2L is that crazy at all.

It really is pretty crazy, but I think your lookahead in last layer is craziest. Hard to percieve the pause between OLL and PLL on some of your fastest solves!

 

[Arkwell]

I don't think that my F2L is that crazy at all. I just learnt intuitive, and most of the other things I do I picked up from just doing lots of solves.

Breandan on the other hand >_>

But seriously, there is so much F2L stuff (macky's site) out there - which I couldn't imagine myself learning.

Faz, Thanks for the input! I know everyone is different but do you ever think you'll come out with a fingertrick tutorial and did you ever study ZBLL cases and if so which ones and why(Swear that's my last question)

 

[YrMyKnight]

LOL,can someone link me to macky's site?

 

[MovingOnUp]

Faz, Thanks for the input! I know everyone is different but do you ever think you'll come out with a fingertrick tutorial and did you ever study ZBLL cases and if so which ones and why(Swear that's my last question)

lol im sorry, but personally, I dont think you are looking at this right. If you are under 25 seconds or so, en almost every case, ,you have learned finger tricks. If you arent to this point, then I don't think tutorials pointed towards people trying to learn to solve under 10 seconds is going to help you as much

I might be wrong, but thats my opinion, not hating on you personally

 

[Faz]

Faz, Thanks for the input! I know everyone is different but do you ever think you'll come out with a fingertrick tutorial and did you ever study ZBLL cases and if so which ones and why(Swear that's my last question)

Maybe. And like 1-2 years ago I learnt half of this T subset: http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/in...iew&view=default&puzzle=3&group=ZBLL-T&cid=25

Macky's site: http://cubefreak.net/speed/advancedf2l/

 

[MovingOnUp]

Maybe. And like 1-2 years ago I learnt half of this T subset

You use these in comp solves?

 

[TheMachanga]

He learned it intuitive, and because you get the same cases over and over again, it's not really intuitive anymore, because you already know what to do. However, if a certain case is bothering you because it seems inefficient, you can look at some f2l algs to see if there is a better way to solve that case.

 

[JianhanC]

You use these in comp solves?

First solve.

 

[Arkwell]

lol im sorry, but personally, I dont think you are looking at this right. If you are under 25 seconds or so, en almost every case, ,you have learned finger tricks. If you arent to this point, then I don't think tutorials pointed towards people trying to learn to solve under 10 seconds is going to help you as much

I might be wrong, but thats my opinion, not hating on you personally

I do agree but it never hurts to look at something from a different angle even if you don't end up using it.

 

[5BLD]

lol im sorry, but personally, I dont think you are looking at this right. If you are under 25 seconds or so, en almost every case, ,you have learned finger tricks. If you arent to this point, then I don't think tutorials pointed towards people trying to learn to solve under 10 seconds is going to help you as much

I might be wrong, but thats my opinion, not hating on you personally

But itll help other people that do want to get down to sub-9 or so.
Feliks, how do you practice lookahead? Do you just solve over and over or what?

 

[Godmil]

Kirjava had a great quote a wee while ago which went something like: after a while algorithmic becomes intuitive and intuitive becomes algorithmic. I agree with that, and don't really see a big difference between the two other than when you very first start out learning F2L.

 

[Chrisalead]

You made a point Godmil. It's evident that after a while F2L become like OLL and PLL algorithm : you know them by heart !

 

[onlyleftname]

In my opinion, F2L is completely dependent on two things: TPS and Lookahead. Most people start out looking ahead and turning slowly, so that they get a handle on how the cube works, and naturally, you gradually get faster at F2L until your TPS increases and you become "crushingly fast" at F2L.

Just my two cents...

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[TCUBER]

Getting sub-8 f2l times

My current average for 3x3 is about 25 seconds. My typical solve is: 3 second cross, 12 second f2l, 10 second 2 Look Oll, 5 second Pll.
I think that I can improve my OLL pretty fast once I've learned full OLL, but f2l is a huge set back for me. Currently I am practicing very hard to look ahead, and go slow, but I have issues taking my eyes off of the current f2l pair and looking for next one. Does anybody have tips for this?

Also, one thing that happens to me a lot is the first 2 f2l pairs I insert are diagonal from each other, just because those two were easiest to do first. Then I end up doing a lot of cube rotating to get the last 2 slots. This slows me down a lot, should there be specific order I put pairs in? However I have seen great cubists like Yu Nakajima that typically do 3-4 cube rotations during a solve, but they have great time! I like his style, and if I can learn it I think it will be very speedy.

If people can give me tips how to fix issues that would be nice. Thanks

 

[antoineccantin]

10 seconds for 2 Look OLL? You should be able to pretty easily sub-5 it. I think you should practice your OLL recognition.