[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[DGCubes]

Hey I am now averaging about 35 sec and I can't improve.... I think it's the last layer I am struggling with because I can complete first two layers within 22 sec (mostly 20 sec but at times I mess up ) please help...... And what would be ideal solve time for a guy who has first two layers within 22 sec??

Generally work on lookahead and cut down on rotations during F2L. For last layer, I'd recommend working on full PLL if you don't know it already (assuming you've already learned 4LLL).

Can you post a video of a couple solves? That's the only way to really give specific tips.

 

[Danyon Ebert]

Any tips for the CFOP method i know many of the oll algs but every time i try to learn a new one i forget another one and does f2l have any algorithms that i can just memorize to put pieces where i want them

Are there just any tips in general that will help me memorize algorithms or any videos that can help

THX

 

[aNub]

Any tips for the CFOP method i know many of the oll algs but every time i try to learn a new one i forget another one and does f2l have any algorithms that i can just memorize to put pieces where i want them

Are there just any tips in general that will help me memorize algorithms or any videos that can help

THX

I'm not a pro solver, but learn intuitive F2L as long as it is efficient (mine isn't). Practise the F2L long enough and you will eventually remember each case by your muscle memory. PLL in my opinion should be learnt before the OLL. Do not learn too many algs at once. One per day is enough.

 

[Dude Blu]

Can you post a video of a couple solves? That's the only way to really give specific tips.

Sure wait about 30 min

Edit:

Well..... An average solve

Should I post more?

 

[shadowslice e]

Well..... An average solve

Ok so to start with please learn better algs: especially that U-perm.
Other stuff:
1) You seem to appear to suffer from what I call "tick-tock turning". This is where the actual turns you make are pretty fast but overall your tps is not all that high because the moves are pretty disjointed. Try turning slower and making sure the moves flow into each other.
2) Your lookahead could use a little work so you don't pause between F2L pairs. This could reasonably easily be helped by practising slow turning (see Chris Olsen's video for what slow turning really is).
3) Practise your algs in general so the whole alg is more or less one smooth motion rather than trigger regrip trigger. This could also help when learning algs as there may well be better ways to fingertrick the algs.

 

[Prabal Baishya]

Well..... An average solve

I think you use 2-look PLL.
And you use F,R,L moves to do your U perm.
But you should use this ones-
U(a) R2 U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R'
U(b) R U' R U R U R U' R' U' R2.
These are lot faster than the ones you use.

 

[RedJack22]

I think you use 2-look PLL.
And you use F,R,L moves to do your U perm.
But you should use this ones-
U(a) R2 U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R'
U(b) R U' R U R U R U' R' U' R2.
These are lot faster than the ones you use.

I would counter and say that the M U version of U Perms are faster! Here they are (if interested):

Ua (bar in the back): M2 U M U2 M' U M2

Ub (bar in the back): M2 U' M U2 M' U' M2

 

[Prabal Baishya]

I would counter and say that the M U version of U Perms are faster! Here they are (if interested):

Ua (bar in the back): M2 U M U2 M' U M2

Ub (bar in the back): M2 U' M U2 M' U' M2

Yes, the M,U ones are also fast but the R move ones work out better for me.

 

[RedJack22]

Yes, the M,U ones are also fast but the R move ones work out better for me.

Fair enough! Do what's best for you

 

[Dude Blu]

Try turning slower and making sure the moves flow into each othe

So slow turning without pauses is better than fast with pauses.... Well I'll work on it

 

[Dude Blu]

But you should use this ones-
U(a) R2 U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R'
U(b) R U' R U R U R U' R' U' R2.
These are lot faster than the ones you use

Wow u r right... Ty

 

[INeedCubes]

I always use my left hand to insert. I guess i dont like to insert with my right hand. Any suggestion? If i always do this, ill end up with cube rotations.

 

[1001010101001]

I do EO when I insert the last slot. Takes about 1 second and cuts 0.5 sec off my times because I know full COLL and I find PLL algs clumsy.

 

[Dude Blu]

Guys am i supposed to perform algs as fast i can or kinda slow but smooth??

 

[xyzzy]

Guys am i supposed to perform algs as fast i can or kinda slow but smooth??

If you're impatient and want faster times now, slow and smooth. (Remember, every lockup costs you time. It doesn't matter how high your burst TPS is if your cube suddenly decides you're turning too roughly and refuses to move.)

If you want long-term improvement, drill the algs at maximum speed until they become fast and smooth.

 

[Dude Blu]

If you're impatient and want faster times now, slow and smooth. (Remember, every lockup costs you time. It doesn't matter how high your burst TPS is if your cube suddenly decides you're turning too roughly and refuses to move.)

If you want long-term improvement, drill the algs at maximum speed until they become fast and smooth.

Which one do you reccomend..??

 

[RedJack22]

Which one do you reccomend..??

Well, it depends on how fast you are. If you average 40 seconds, just go slow and steady. I would also say that you should make sure you are executing GOOD algs correctly; that will help things.

 

[Dude Blu]

Hmm...i guess ill go as fast as i can cause i am sub 30 right now

 

[RedJack22]

Hmm...i guess ill go as fast as i can cause i am sub 30 right now

Well, not necessarily. Definitely work on look ahead. Cyotheking (Chris Olson) has a fantastic video on how to do that on YouTube. Check it out, because look ahead is extremely important, along with F2L.

 

[G27]

I'm sub-30, what's the fastest way to memorize PLLs?