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[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion
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- 2 look oll 2 look pll 3x3 20 seconds 4ll a0100/27 a012/27 a05/26 advanced speedcubing algorithms beginner can't reach sub 30 cfop cross - pll solving cube f2l f2l help faster fridrich getting sub-30 help cross help f2l how to how to do faster 3x3 how to get faster how to's improve improve time keep cubing happy cubing oll pb/18.97 roux seconds solving speed speed cubing speedcubing stuck sub 20 sub 40 time tips
CornerCutter
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Hey, I have a few questions on my mind today!
1. I currently take around 2-10 seconds to do the cross. Do you guys have any tips on how to get faster at the cross? I solve white cross because it uses less inspection time to figure out the color scheme. I take around 4-20 moves to get the cross done. It would be cool if you can help.
2. I need tips on F2L. People I see are doing F2L in like 1-5 seconds. It takes me 10-20 seconds. I would like some help. I do solve the cross then f2l, not the layer then f2l. Help to improve on F2L would be awesome!
3. I need tips on PLL. Why is there sometimes I need to do an H-Perm to identify the PLL case? I do the algs right, I want to know why are there H-perms? Are these normal, do I want to avoid these? If so how do I avoid them? Also G-perms. How rare are G-perms, and how critical is my PLL if I don't learn G-perms and I hybrid it using Full PLL and if I don't know the case, 2-look PLL?
Overall, I average around 40 seconds using full pll, and 29-50 seconds using 2-look PLL. Do you guys have tips on how to get averages of 20-30 seconds? I have tried learning full OLL, 2-look is just faster for me.
Are you color neutral? If your not it helps a lot in figuring out which cross is the best to solve.
CubingBanana
Regular
I am color neutral on the 2x2. On a 3x3, I used to be color neutral, but I stopped because it caused so many problems.
CornerCutter
Veteran
What kind of problem? I would really like to know.
CubingBanana
Regular
Not problems, my computer is being so mad at me I just kinda shortened it.
One of them is: In competition, it took like 5-10 seconds to figure out the color scheme. And I could not memorize. Also if I solved a different color than white, I would think: Oh a piece with yellow? I don't need that! And I ended up needing it and stole 5-10 seconds of time. I just didn't enjoy it.
mitja
Regular
About G perms. It is 22,22% probability you will get it, so it is very welcome to know all 4 of them. I do them on both sides, so just learned two for both hands, as they are not fingertrick friendly algs and doing them only on right side doesn't make that big a difference.
CornerCutter
Veteran
Ok, I see.
Solving it BLD will help and just more practice. You should be able to get sub-5 easily.
Solving it BLD will help and just more practice. You should be able to get sub-5 easily.
CubingBanana
Regular
ok. I do have the recognition and algs down for G-perms
CubingBanana
Regular
on cross?
CornerCutter
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BrysonMaul
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I have a 24 second average and was wondering whats more important at this point F2L, OLL, or PLL?
BrysonMaul
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I know 11 PLL and 20 OLL algs.
shadowslice e
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Finish learning PLL while working on your F2L then.
BrysonMaul
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what method do you use and whats your average?
shadowslice e
Legend
Mainly Roux. I average 9.5ish and 15s on CFOP, ZZ, Petrus and a few others (and sub-20 on a few more than that).
Octopanda
Member
I am trying to break the sub 20 barrier. I currently average 22.02 for 3x3.
I know full PLL, 2-Look OLL, and how to get around f2l odd case algorithms. I'm currently practicing look ahead with a metronome at 161 BPM and I almost feel completely comfortable with it, just a little rushed. I average 3-4 seconds on cross, 8-12 seconds on f2l and I average 8 seconds on last layer (OLL & PLL). Any tips or ways I should practice to break the 20 second barrier, and the steps I should take next?
I know full PLL, 2-Look OLL, and how to get around f2l odd case algorithms. I'm currently practicing look ahead with a metronome at 161 BPM and I almost feel completely comfortable with it, just a little rushed. I average 3-4 seconds on cross, 8-12 seconds on f2l and I average 8 seconds on last layer (OLL & PLL). Any tips or ways I should practice to break the 20 second barrier, and the steps I should take next?
edward.newbie
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good am. currently addicted to the cube because of my call center job. couple months of solving the cube. my current average is 34 secs, know all pll`s and half oll`s. but it hits me because a week has passed but I think I am not getting faster. can you give me some advise. thanks
DGCubes
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That's something that happens in cubing. There comes a point where instead of getting faster every day, you get improve much much slower. There are definitely things you can do to improve, but just remember that slow improvement happens to everyone at some point.
I'd recommend working on your F2L (if you're not using F2L, definitely learn it). You often don't realize how inefficient your F2L is until you do really slow, untimed solves and work on getting it as efficient as possible. I'd also recommend that you make sure you're using a cube that works for you. If you're still using a Rubik's brand, by all means get a speedcube. Some popular speedcubes that people are using today include the Valk3, GuoGuan YueXiao, MoYu WeiLong GTS, and Gan356 Air (and their magnetic variants).
I'd recommend working on your F2L (if you're not using F2L, definitely learn it). You often don't realize how inefficient your F2L is until you do really slow, untimed solves and work on getting it as efficient as possible. I'd also recommend that you make sure you're using a cube that works for you. If you're still using a Rubik's brand, by all means get a speedcube. Some popular speedcubes that people are using today include the Valk3, GuoGuan YueXiao, MoYu WeiLong GTS, and Gan356 Air (and their magnetic variants).
One Wheel
Legend
That's nice progress. I've been cubing for about 2 years, and 34 seconds is about what I'm averaging.
