[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[Killbox]

I use 4-look LL-- any tips for me? I average 40 secs.

Cross-6.325
F2L-16.734
OLL-4.325
PLL-6-8
And transition time add to about 3 seconds.

Can anyone help?

 

[ViliusRibinskas]

I use 4-look LL-- any tips for me? I average 40 secs.

Cross-6.325
F2L-16.734
OLL-4.325
PLL-6-8
And transition time add to about 3 seconds.

Can anyone help?

Learn full PLL
Watch f2l example solves
Do cross on bottom and watch cross example solves

 

[Killbox]

Learn full PLL
Watch f2l example solves
Do cross on bottom and watch cross example solves

Is that the only way?Cuz I'm not the best at learning algs.And I do do cross on bottom

Thx for the tips anyway

 

[shadowslice e]

Is that the only way?Cuz I'm not the best at learning algs.And I do do cross on bottom

Thx for the tips anyway

Well, if you want to do CFOP that's basically the best way. If you want to learn less algs and still potentially go the same time you could learn Roux or some other method.

 

[Madoka Kaname]

If I av 30 s
4 s cross
13 s F2L
13 s ll

W/ 4lll

Any tips on improving???

 

[shadowslice e]

If I av 30 s
4 s cross
13 s F2L
13 s ll

W/ 4lll

Any tips on improving???

Learn full PLL your F2L+cross only need to be a little faster (maybe ~15) and with a good LL you should be sub-20

 

[Dadd]

I've been cubing for about 6 months. I recently hit sub-15. I avg around 14.30-13.75.

These are the subsets/things I do in my solve.
*Cross on bottom
*Good lookahead
*Full PLL
*Full OLL (except for dot cases, which I use sledges for)
*a few Winter Variation algs (learned intuitively)
*a few COLL algs
*cross 4-7 moves
*reasonable TPS for my avg

average splits:
Cross: 1.5-2.5
F2L: 6-7.5
OLL: 1.5-3
PLL: 1.5-2.75
Total:14-ish

 

[Jaysammey777]

^^ me too, but for 7 years. Hewlp

 

[Tanish]

I average 24 with cross around 4 secs, f2l+cross 15 secs approx, and ll 9-11 secs
i know full pll and 2 look oll
im really slow at ll and i am not able to improve on my ll speed
what should i do

 

[Tanish]

also can someone consider making a 4x4 guide just like this 3x3 guide(the first post - step 1 to 7)

 

[sqAree]

So I know that the good cuber tries to manipulate the LL case while solving the last slot of F2L. I have some questions regarding manipulating EO.

First of all, why exactly? I don't find the dot OLLS particularly awkward or slow. And even the OCLL cases are not necessarily better than some other OLLs (especiallly headlights, bowtie and pi for me).

Secondly (assuming my first question is answered convincingly), which EO controls should I use?
Ok, sledgehammer if no edges are oriented and the pair is already created.
Also ok, sledgehammer when the pair is already created and it would orient all LL edges.
What if I have a pseudo pair (solvable with R U R') but the edges are not oriented? R U' R' U2 R' F R F' seems a bit long.
Using inverse sledgehammer is not really fingertricky and takes significantly longer than a "normal" insert, should I really use it?
What if my last slot is solvable with L U' L' but edges are not oriented? Rotating y2 U' sledge seems not efficient.

Also, what makes me doubt is that whenever I look at the reconstructions of really fast solves (sub7 for example) by pro cubers, those seem to use normal 2-gen inserts followed by standard OLL+PLL.
So maybe the cases where many edges aren't oriented just lead to a bad solve anyway?

Also, sorry, I think those questions are quite noobish for someone who averages 22. ._.

 

[Praetorian]

First of all, why exactly? I don't find the dot OLLS particularly awkward or slow. And even the OCLL cases are not necessarily better than some other OLLs (especiallly headlights, bowtie and pi for me).

EO gives much faster cases than dot OLLs, which aren't really that bad but its great if you can avoid them, it's also not a good thing to go totally out of your way just to get your EO. EO also allows for subsets to be used like COLL or ZBLL or any of that good stuff, it's just nice to have EO

What if I have a pseudo pair (solvable with R U R') but the edges are not oriented? R U' R' U2 R' F R F' seems a bit long.

if there are no edges oriented with an R U R' insert, you can just R' D' r U' r' D R2 U R', if there are some already oriented, just insert it

Using inverse sledgehammer is not really fingertricky and takes significantly longer than a "normal" insert, should I really use it?

F R' F' R is really fast and easy to fingertrick, use your right thumb to push down on F, and left index finger for F'

What if my last slot is solvable with L U' L' but edges are not oriented? Rotating y2 U' sledge seems not efficient.

U' x' L' U L U' x (this can be done very fast don't worry), but theres nothing wrong with inserting it normally

im not sub 7 but eh I think I know some stuff

 

[2180161]

I use full LL EO, +COLL and I average under 14. Go for it if you want. I still have all of the OLL's, but just in case I forget to do my EO.

 

[jonlin]

Avg of 5, any tips?

 

[kltd]

What do I need to focus on next?

Hey guys,

I've been "speedcubing" for about 3 years now. I stopped for about 2 year and just recently, about a month ago, picked it back up again. My times are about a minute but I'm not sure what I should put my effort into next for the 3x3.

My cross takes about 10 seconds to make.
I intuitively fill in the F2L, which takes about 20 seconds.
I then use the 2 Look OLL methods for completing the top layer which takes about 5-10 seconds.
I then use the 2 look PLL method to complete the cube in about 5-10 seconds.

My finger speed isn't appalling but it's not really that impressive, either, even though I practice with it almost everyday.
Long story short where should I put the majority of my efforts into as far as cutting out bigger chunks of time?

I use the Dayan Guhong v2 as my cube.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

Hey guys,

I've been "speedcubing" for about 3 years now. I stopped for about 2 year and just recently, about a month ago, picked it back up again. My times are about a minute but I'm not sure what I should put my effort into next for the 3x3.

My cross takes about 10 seconds to make.
I intuitively fill in the F2L, which takes about 20 seconds.
I then use the 2 Look OLL methods for completing the top layer which takes about 5-10 seconds.
I then use the 2 look PLL method to complete the cube in about 5-10 seconds.

My finger speed isn't appalling but it's not really that impressive, either, even though I practice with it almost everyday.
Long story short where should I put the majority of my efforts into as far as cutting out bigger chunks of time?

I use the Dayan Guhong v2 as my cube.

Practice. It is the main thing that will probably help you right now. Also, the Guhong is normally considered outdated. It isn't bad, but if you get serious you might want to upgrade to a better cube. I don't think that the Guhong is bad, but it definitely isn't the best. Don't feel like you have to spend money on a slightly better cube if you don't think you are that much into it. You decide.

 

[kltd]

@JustinTimeCuber what cube would be a nice upgrade to the guhong?

 

[CubePro]

Maybe an Aolong V2, if you like fast cubes. Or maybe even a Dayan Zhanchi if you have a slow and accurate turning style

 

[cubeoob]

How to improve after sub 20?

Hi everybody.

I started 3x3 cube 2 months ago, started off with LBL method of solving and gradually learned 4LLL followed by F2L.
I now average like 20-22 seconds.
It happens to me that no matter how better I do the F2L/Cross/Look ahead, I no longer improve.
My times have been keep on improving back then but I am stuck at 20 seconds for about 3-4 weeks.

I do the cross in 2-4 seconds, F2L 8 Seconds, and last layer in 4-8 seconds
PB is 17 seconds.
I know 2 LOOK OLL and 13 PLL Algs.
I am looking forward for any help

Thanks!

 

[dylandalton38]

Just keep practicing your look ahead and do slow solves. Finish learning PLL and never get discouraged. Always have a long term goal and a short term goal, the mental is just as important as the physical practice.