The New Method / Substep / Concept Idea Thread

[Username: Username:]

what?

Layer - 1 edge
WCLL
3 redges (reducing it to LSE)
LSE

 

[PetraPine]

FB
WCLL
3 redges (reducing it to LSE)
LSE

thats not what i said,
Psuedo FB
CLL/WCLL
Normal SB + EO
Last 2 L R edges (l2lr?)
(rotate)
L8E+E slice(which is actually pretty nice in columns)
You can reduce L8E TO L6E

 

[Username: Username:]

thats not what i said,
Psuedo FB
CLL/WCLL
Normal SB + EO
Last 2 L R edges (l2lr?)
(rotate)
L8E+E slice(which is actually pretty nice in columns)

I'm sorry but that's just worse than what I said.
EO in the middle would impact lookahead a ton, then rotating (!!!!!11111) then L8E + E slice and the ergonomics for it is not great.

 

[PetraPine]

I'm sorry but that's just worse than what I said.

ok so??

 

[PetraPine]

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EO in the middle would impact lookahead a ton, then rotating (!!!!!11111) then L8E + E slice and the ergonomics for it is not great.
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What you said is just waterman also here's the rundown
Fb-more efficient
2b-more efficient
Eo(same efficiency)
Oriented L8E(worse efficiency)
And a single rotation
So no you're wrong
They should be around the same in efficiency with it being slightly more so but having 1 rotation
Also eo In the middle wouldn't impact Ll ahead that much because it's right before a rotation, so the rotation is the look ahead problem, also oriented l8e is easy to recog also it's in the same spot it would be normally not in the middle

 

[Username: Username:]

(from me) "EO in the middle would impact lookahead a ton, then rotating (!!!!!11111) then L8E + E slice and the ergonomics for it is not great."
What you said is just waterman also here's the rundown
Fb-more efficient
2b-more efficient
Eo(same efficiency)
Oriented L8E(worse efficiency)
And a single rotation
So no you're wrong

L8E + E slice ergonomics would impact a ton, and it's less efficient, the problem is not EO's efficiency, no it's objectively small but it's definitely gonna make you pause for 500 years.

(EO in the middle is actually the main reason Petrus is dismissed in the community.)

Those two downsides alone can make this method bad.

 

[PetraPine]

L8E + E slice ergonomics would impact a ton, and it's less efficient, the problem is not EO's efficiency, no it's objectively small but it's definitely gonna make you pause for 500 years.

(EO in the middle is actually the main reason Petrus is dismissed in the community.)

Just do U m2 U2 stuff before rotation

 

[Username: Username:]

Just do U m2 U2 stuff before rotation

what? it kinda looks like you're denying disadvantages and just go with it.

 

[PetraPine]

what?

After Eo you dont have to use E slice because you can permute edges before rotation

 

[Username: Username:]

EO in the middle would impact lookahead a ton, then rotating (!!!!!11111) then L8E + E slice and the ergonomics for it is not great.
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What you said is just waterman also here's the rundown
Fb-more efficient
2b-more efficient
Eo(same efficiency)
Oriented L8E(worse efficiency)
And a single rotation
So no you're wrong
They should be around the same in efficiency with it being slightly more so but having 1 rotation
Also eo In the middle wouldn't impact Ll ahead that much because it's right before a rotation, so the rotation is the look ahead problem, also oriented l8e is easy to recog also it's in the same spot it would be normally not in the middle
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Nope, EO in the middle still impacts alot and oriented L8E is bad for efficiency and ergonomics. (Petrus EO is less bad as you don't have to orient as many edges.)

 

[PetraPine]

what? it kinda looks like you're denying disadvantages and just go with it.

I literally agreed in my post before last, I'm not doing that lol

 

[PetraPine]

EO in the middle would impact lookahead a ton, then rotating (!!!!!11111) then L8E + E slice and the ergonomics for it is not great.
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Also eo In the middle wouldn't impact Ll ahead that much because it's right before a rotation, so the rotation is the look ahead problem, also oriented l8e is easy to recog also it's in the same spot it would be normally not in the middle

Nope, EO in the middle still impacts alot and oriented L8E is bad for efficiency and ergonomics.
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[PetraPine]

Nope, EO in the middle still impacts alot and oriented L8E is bad for efficiency and ergonomics.

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Also it being bad for ergenomics doesn't matter
A. It's only slightly worse.
B. It's made up for by more efficient steps through the rest of the solve

 

[Username: Username:]

Also it being bad for ergenomics doesn't matter
A. It's only slightly worse.
B. It's made up for by more efficient steps through the rest of the solve

A. How? I've actually thought of L8E like this before, I dismissed because of the ergonomics.
B. How?

 

[PetraPine]

BTW I'm not saying it's better than waterman I'm just arguing for why I think it's not a bad method and has pros

 

[Username: Username:]

BTW I'm not saying it's better than waterman I'm just arguing for why I think it's not a bad method and has pros

Every method has cons and this also has cons, I'm just pointing them out cause they are pretty significant here.

 

[PetraPine]

A. How? I've actually thought of L8E like this before, I dismissed because of the ergonomics.
B. How?

Ask people who use pcms, literally just one d move out put nthe two edges, put back l6e those arnt awful ergonomics lol.

 

[Username: Username:]

Ask people who use pcms, literally just one d move out in two edges, put back l6e those arnt awful ergonomics lol.

Well then they don't do it the best way, also, how is it relevant here? PCMS L8E is in different position while this L8E is in UR UL UF UB DF DB FR BR

 

[PetraPine]

Well then they don't do it the best way.

I don't use pcms, also youre prob wrong because you don't use it also this is just the most common approach not the approach for every solve

 

[PetraPine]

Also one D move and M U are not bad ergonomics