# The New Method / Substep / Concept Idea Thread

#### ObscureCuber

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A. How? I've actually thought of L8E like this before, I dismissed because of the ergonomics.
B. How?
Ask people who use pcms, literally just one d move out put nthe two edges, put back l6e those arnt awful ergonomics lol.

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Ask people who use pcms, literally just one d move out in two edges, put back l6e those arnt awful ergonomics lol.
Well then they don't do it the best way, also, how is it relevant here? PCMS L8E is in different position while this L8E is in UR UL UF UB DF DB FR BR

#### ObscureCuber

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Well then they don't do it the best way.
I don't use pcms, also youre prob wrong because you don't use it also this is just the most common approach not the approach for every solve

#### ObscureCuber

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Also one D move and M U are not bad ergonomics

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Also one D move and M U are not bad ergonomics
May I ask how the heck do you setup FR and BR to the D layer without using awkward moves? (wait I'm dumb, it's R' D2 R but that would disrupt everything else and would make the efficiency much worse.)

#### ObscureCuber

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M2 and U to bring pieces to top layer than M U2 M'

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Lol M U2 M" XD
Nope, that just affects pieces on the M and U layer, your L8E is UR UL UF UB DF DB FR BR how do you setup them correctly to the D layer? R' D2 R2,

#### ObscureCuber

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Nope, that just affects pieces on the M and U layer, your L8E is UR UL UF UB DF DB FR BR how do you setup them correctly to the D layer? R' D2 R2,
No it isn't? Edges are oriented columns are oriented it is M U D e slice and cmll and eo are solved

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No it isn't? Edges are oriented columns are oriented it is M U D
I seriously question how you get your facts. You said that your L8EP is on FR BR UL UR UF UB DF DB, so I ask again How is it MUD gen?

#### ObscureCuber

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I seriously question how you get your facts.
I created it? And solved with it????
And it works??

#### ObscureCuber

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Also it wod just be Late+6 moves efficiency wise

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Also it wod just be Late+6 moves efficiency wise
3 move setup to MU gen L8E
2 more pieces to solve in LSE means more moves
3 move reverse setup.

#### ObscureCuber

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3 move setup to MU gen L8E
2 more pieces to solve in LSE means more moves
3 move reverse setup.
What three move setup?
D M' U2 M D M' U2 M or D M' U2 M2 U2 M D OR D M' U2 M

#### ObscureCuber

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It's like you don't know what you're talking about 75 percent of you're arguments have been you not reading something right or doing something wrong

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What three move setup?
D M' U2 M D M' U2 M or D M' U2 M2 U2 M D OR D M' U2 M
That doesn't put the FR and BR edges on the bottom so no.

#### ObscureCuber

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That doesn't put the FR and BR edges on the bottom so no.
You're changing it to LSE why would it be those edges lol(D L AND D R NOT FR BR)

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It's like you don't know what you're talking about 75 percent of you're arguments have been you not reading something right or doing something wrong
Misunderstanding's cause is often because of the writer.
Your method proposal was very vague and unclear on which edges are the L8E on.

#### ObscureCuber

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Psuedo FB
CLL/WCLL
Psuedo SB + EO
(do OREO)
Last 2 L R edges (l2lr?)
solve last two edges with final edge alg
(ROTATE)
L8E+E slice(which is actually pretty nice in columns) just solve l8e however and use M2 U2 before rotation or R2 U2 after to solve edges
(clarifications)
also it would be fairly efficient L8E because before the rotation you would only have to do L6E EO instead of L8E EO
What is there to misunderstand???
Later on clarified to do e slice before rotation

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Psuedo FB
CLL/WCLL
Psuedo SB + EO
do OREO
Last 2 L R edges (l2lr?)
solve last two edges with final edge alg
(ROTATE)
L8E+E slice(which is actually pretty nice in columns) just solve l8e however and use M2 U2 before rotation or R2 U2 after to solve edges
(clarifications)
also it would be fairly efficient L8E because before the rotation you would only have to do L6E EO instead of L8E EO
What is there to misunderstand???
A lot, also, do an example solve to clear the doubts (and see if the method is decent or not) once and for all.