# The New Method / Substep / Concept Idea Thread

#### ObscureCuber

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A lot, also, do an example solve to clear the doubts (and see if the method is decent or not) once and for all.
At some point tommorow it's 1 am do r me

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At some point tommorow it's 1 am do r me
Also, I just want to say that reducing to LSE is probably the best way to do L8E, LSE is objectively better than L8E.

#### ObscureCuber

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Also, I just want to say that reducing to LSE is probably the best way to do L8E, LSE is objectively better than L8E.
That's what I was trying to tell you earlier lol by this point if so tired I'm relying on surrocoreecry to type for me

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That's what I was trying to tell you earlier lol by this point if so tired I'm relying on surrocoreecry to type for me
Not my fault if you were unclear.

#### ObscureCuber

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Psuedo FB
CLL/WCLL
Normal SB + EO
do OREO
Last 2 L R edges (l2lr?)
solve last two edges with final edge alg
(ROTATE)
L8E+E slice(which is actually pretty nice in columns) just solve l8e however and use M2 U2 before rotation or R2 U2 after to solve edges
(clarifications)
also it would be fairly efficient L8E because before the rotation you would only have to do L6E EO instead of L8E EO
Ask people who use pcms, literally just one d move out put nthe two edges, put back l6e those arnt awful ergonomics lol.
I don't use pcms, also youre prob wrong because you don't use it also this is just the most common approach not the approach for every solve
Also one D move and M U are not bad ergonomics
M2 and U to bring pieces to top layer than M U2 M'

#### ObscureCuber

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Lol. I guess I'll just wait until the example solve.

#### ObscureCuber

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Lol. I guess I'll just wait until the example solve.
It's easier than you think (-: I'll try to make it tommorow keep in mind I'm not good at pcms or waterman also the method we just invented today

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It's easier than you think (-: I'll try to make it tommorow keep in mind I'm not good at pcms or waterman also the method we just invented today
We never know if it's not created already.. (lol sorry it's just that there's a chance that your method is already made, method development.)

#### ObscureCuber

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We never know if it's not created already..
Lol this method is SUPER WIERD IM 90 perxe t Shure it hasnt

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Lol this method is SUPER WIERD IM 90 perxe t Shure it hasnt
The cubing community is full of weird things, we'll never know (I think I already made this method without the L8E and Pseudo FB step but Pseudo FB kinda counts as an A3 first step)

#### ObscureCuber

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just did 2 example solves for my waterpcms variant thing,
My L8E wasnt that effiecient in the solves, couldve done it better.
also i said in the video the last R edge beforeEO has to be the last L edges color or oppisite(this is not true) do any edge before EO and than whatever 2 edges would be left after EO do those.
(make sure after that last R edge only the First blocks top color and the other sides top or oppisite have the unsolved pieces

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#### ObscureCuber

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read the discription for more indepth explanation of EO
to understand how to use the methods EO correctly

#### ObscureCuber

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updated description with Pros cons and thoughts

#### ObscureCuber

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here's a version were you get L6E
1.Solve normal Waterman Block
2.psuedo Style second block
3.OREO
4.Solve middle layer
5.Rotate LSE
or
1.Solve Psuedo Waterman Block
2.Psuedo Style second block
3.OREO
4.Solve middle layer
5.Rotate LSE

#### WarriorCatCuber

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here's a version were you get L6E
1.Solve normal Waterman Block
2.psuedo Style second block
3.OREO
4.Solve middle layer
5.Rotate LSE
or
1.Solve Psuedo Waterman Block
2.Psuedo Style second block
3.OREO
4.Solve middle layer
5.Rotate LSE
OREO would be kind of hard to use here...

#### ObscureCuber

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OREO would be kind of hard to use here...
look at my vid discription i say that,
but not really because you would just recog the L R pieces like normal pieces so it would be just as easy, also you can use the easiest of whatever the two possible edge cases are(since L R edges can be oriented either way at end of EO)