The New Method / Substep / Concept Idea Thread

[fun at the joy]

If the 2x2x3 pieces were in the positions of DF and DB you would have to mess up EO and then fix it.

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[brododragon]

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You can't do F, B, or D moves because EO but you would have to if the 2x2x3 pieces were in DF or DB.

 

[ProStar]

You can't do F, B, or D moves because EO but you would have to if the 2x2x3 pieces were in DF or DB.

You can do D

 

[Cubingcubecuber]

You can't do F, B, or D moves because EO but you would have to if the 2x2x3 pieces were in DF or DB.

You can do D

And F2/B2

 

[brododragon]

And possibly all of those with yellow on bottom, don't know how hard it is to get good at new orientations.

Just be color neutral to start. It's what almost all Petrus users do and it's not that hard.

 

[PetraPine]

After many many days i have created a method that takes 45 to 60 moves and has 3 algorithms! the only other one i can think of is 8355 and its move count is 100+.
This is very much experimental and don't think is good for a beginner at all also i don't know how fast it can get as its very difficult to look ahead and do block building.
Here's the method:
Its A ROUX+335 method combination
Steps-
Orient/Permute Middle layer(e slice)
do pll on both sides (might run into parity)Put both "messed up corners" on you're right U and right D and do R2 U2 R2' than do a pll on top layer again.
Use R2s and U2s to Orient First two blocks To put one corner in its spot without getting messed up repeat R' F' R F 3 times
EO should be done now do one of two algorithms (O or JB/Y (depending on if there's headlights/one side permuted or not))
Than LSE
To Use this method you must learn and be able to aplly LSE from Roux.
AGAIN this is NOT a speed method(from what i can tell)
But an experiment to see how viable 335 is.

 

[TipsterTrickster]

It really depends on what you consider an algorithm. For example there are methods with 0 algorithms if you aren’t considering commutators to be algorithms, and like is sexy move an algorithm? It really depends. Also there are many methods with algs, it just kinda depends on what you would consider an alg, which can be hard to define on some levels.

 

[PetraPine]

It really depends on what you consider an algorithm. For example there are methods with 0 algorithms if you aren’t considering commutators to be algorithms, and like is sexy move an algorithm? It really depends. Also there are many methods with algs, it just kinda depends on what you would consider an alg, which can be hard to define on some levels.

This is true the other thing is, this method is based off 335 and this is as far as I could take it as 335 is just straight up trash.

Also if you don't count R2 U2 R2 as an alg it would be 2 which is interesting also this method has 2 parities one which I for got to mention is for edges, you just do m than d's to fix the edge and than m' back. By the way do you know any other methods that have parities? For 3x3 of course

 

[TNL Cubing]

For 3x3 of course

How do you "solve PLL" with no algorithms?

 

[brododragon]

Than LSE

That takes more than 3 algs.

 

[Etotheipi]

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That takes more than 3 algs.

It takes no algs.

 

[brododragon]

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It takes no algs.

Wait LSE can be done intuitively?

 

[Etotheipi]

Wait LSE can be done intuitively?

Yes. Its an intuitive thing, the only time you'd use algs is EOLR which is almost completely intuitive anyway.

 

[PapaSmurf]

The only time "algs" are used in LSE is actually when people take intuitive sequences of moves and teach them non-intuitively.

 

[PetraPine]

That takes more than 3 algs.

lse isnt algorithmic

 

[PetraPine]

How do you "solve PLL" with no algorithms?

i did this post exitidely at 2 am im sorry it was a bad post, you can technacally do begginers on both sides,
so 1 alg (F R U R' U' F) than R Ds on the corners

 

[Solvador Cubi]

Does it seem feasible to achieve fast times by using these steps?
Are the estimated move counts valid?
Am I missing anything?

4 EO
6 Three white corners in place on D, at least One oriented corner on U
10 L5C - Orient and Permute, but preserve EO (126? cases, 42 conjugated C*LL algs)
10 Permute E-Edges + Centers
15 Permute L8E

= 45 moves


thanks,
-= Solvador Cubi

 

[Deleted member 51471]

Does it seem feasible to achieve fast times by using these steps?
Are the estimated move counts valid?
Am I missing anything?

4 EO
6 3 white corners in place on D
10 L5C - Orient and Permute, but preserve EO (126? cases, 42 conjugated C*LL algs)
10 Permute E-Edges + Centers
15 Permute L8E

= 45 moves


thanks,
-= Solvador Cubi

L5C is 614 algs just saying.

 

[Etotheipi]

L5C is 614 algs just saying.

Conjugated CxLL reduces the cases by a fair amount. I think thats what they meant.

 

[Chris_Cube]

4 EO
6 Three white corners in place on D
10 L5C - Orient and Permute, but preserve EO (126? cases, 42 conjugated C*LL algs)
10 Permute E-Edges + Centers
15 Permute L8E

= 45 moves


thanks,
-= Solvador Cubi

I had this idea also as a ZZ-Corners First hybrid. But instead of L5C I thought of:
1. EO
2. Corners of first and last layer + preserve EO
3. Inserting the Edges in Pairs or one at a time or more with algs which preserve EO
4. Permute the Midges