[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[Michael Womack]

what's a good way to recognize a case that you just learned during a solve. For example I just learned the E-perm and how do I practice so I can remember when to use the E-perm.

 

[rj]

what's a good way to recognize a case that you just learned during a solve. For example I just learned the E-perm and how do I practice so I can remember when to use the E-perm.

Do it over and over. Use a PLL trainer, and do solves. I did, and I'm now sub-3 including recognition (for E-perm).

 

[Michael Womack]

Do it over and over. Use a PLL trainer, and do solves. I did, and I'm now sub-3 including recognition (for E-perm).

Alright thanks but I know the ALG very well and I want to know if there a good easy way to spot a case that you just learned and perform it very quickly.

 

[pipkiksass]

Alright thanks but I know the ALG very well and I want to know if there a good easy way to spot a case that you just learned and perform it very quickly.

Only way is slow solves really. In timed solves you're more likely to revert to your old alg. The more you practice the alg without time pressure, the quicker it becomes part of your subconscious cubing arsenal.

 

[Michael Womack]

Only way is slow solves really. In timed solves you're more likely to revert to your old alg. The more you practice the alg without time pressure, the quicker it becomes part of your subconscious cubing arsenal.

Thank you that's the answer I was looking for.

 

[Renslay]

In step 2 it says
2 Look OLL
Edge Orientation - 2 algorithms
Corner Orientation - 7 algorithms

2 Look PLL
Corner Permutation - 3 Algorithms Aa/Ab and E/V/Y/Na/Nb
Edge Permutation - 4 algorithms - Ua, Ub, Z, H

Shouldn't it be OLL edge 3 algo's and PLL corner 2 algo's.

It should. 10 OLL and 6 PLL algorithms overall.

 

[Deleted member 19792]

There's more than just WV to consider, but that's certainly an option. If you like, also check out Magic Wondeful on Cubefreak; it's really cool.

Thank you Ranzha! I will go ahead and check that out

 

[Evolution]

Can someone explain me why this web page in step #1 won't load properly for me?

"Work on the cross. Try to do the cross in 12 moves or less, and under 12 seconds. Here is a link that will help you achieve/learn this (and then practice it a lot): http://cubefreak.net/speed/cfop/cross.php "

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Can someone explain me why this web page in step #1 won't load properly for me?

"Work on the cross. Try to do the cross in 12 moves or less, and under 12 seconds. Here is a link that will help you achieve/learn this (and then practice it a lot): http://cubefreak.net/speed/cfop/cross.php "

Works fine for me.

 

[pipkiksass]

Can someone explain me why this web page in step #1 won't load properly for me?

"Work on the cross. Try to do the cross in 12 moves or less, and under 12 seconds. Here is a link that will help you achieve/learn this (and then practice it a lot): http://cubefreak.net/speed/cfop/cross.php "

Yes, it's because you don't have a java enabled browser, are blocking java on the page, or are using an operating system that doesn't support java.

Or java is out of date!!

 

[Evolution]

Yes, it's because you don't have a java enabled browser, are blocking java on the page, or are using an operating system that doesn't support java.

Or java is out of date!!

Ok, thank you! I will look into getting that fixed. Thanks for the help.

 

[Das Cubing]

What should I learn?

I just got my averages sub-25, and I do not know what to learn first. Full OLL, or full PLL? Please give me some advine on learning one of the two.

Thank you! :tu

 

[sneaklyfox]

Full PLL without a doubt. It's much more useful as well as easy. Advice about learning is to try out different algorithms to find which one you like. You can use the wiki, use BOCA, watch youtube videos, etc. I like to watch the youtube videos to see what kind of fingertricks people use. After you choose which algorithms you like, you may want to put each one on a flashcard with the pattern to recognize. Learn as fast as you feel comfortable. Drill many times the same algorithm. Recall and review each day the ones you learned before. During solves, don't go back to the old way but see if it's one you learned and do it the new way. If it takes too long to remember then review that one some more. Hope this helps!

 

[JKNK]

Which should i learn first oll +pll or coll.( i'm already planning to learn both) I have 26.36 second best and a 32 average of 5 ( but i usually get 34-36 seconds and rarely 40 if its an pll case i dont know) Ive learned about 4 coll algroithms, 5 oll algroithms and 10 pll algroithms. Im also praticing to lookahead (any tips)

 

[Brest]

Which should i learn first oll +pll or coll.( i'm already planning to learn both) I have 26.36 second best and a 32 average of 5 ( but i usually get 34-36 seconds and rarely 40 if its an pll case i dont know) Ive learned about 4 coll algroithms, 5 oll algroithms and 10 pll algroithms. Im also praticing to lookahead (any tips)

Learn all of PLL first.

 

[Hypocrism]

Which should i learn first oll +pll or coll.( i'm already planning to learn both) I have 26.36 second best and a 32 average of 5 ( but i usually get 34-36 seconds and rarely 40 if its an pll case i dont know) Ive learned about 4 coll algroithms, 5 oll algroithms and 10 pll algroithms. Im also praticing to lookahead (any tips)

You don't need to learn them in full, especially not COLL and OLL, yet. Use 2-look OLL with full PLL until you get consistently under 20 seconds. Work on your F2L, not your LL.

 

[pipkiksass]

Which should i learn first oll +pll or coll.( i'm already planning to learn both) I have 26.36 second best and a 32 average of 5 ( but i usually get 34-36 seconds and rarely 40 if its an pll case i dont know) Ive learned about 4 coll algroithms, 5 oll algroithms and 10 pll algroithms. Im also praticing to lookahead (any tips)

Agree with Brest - definitely PLL first. I learnt full PLL from the start, and it's made me so comfortable with my PLLs now that I know a couple of different angles for some.

I'm still working on OLL - know about 42/43 cases, but don't actively go out of my way to learn them!

COLL is only any help if you have good edge control, i.e. can influence whether OLL edges are yellow-up (assuming white cross) during F2L. If you use a method like ZZ that results in corners only OLLs, then learn COLL. If you use pure CFOP, you'd need some form of edge control on your last F2L insertion, then to recognise the COLL case quickly...

At least at first, you're better off learning C-F-O-P, by which I mean the separate steps of the method. Once you understand them all, you can look at how they influence each other, and maybe learn COLL, OLS, or even ZBLL?!

Just personally, I don't think COLL should be used as a shortcut to avoid learning full OLL.

 

[Randomno]

This isn't very helpful (to me)... I use F2L and 4LLL and my averages are over a minute.

 

[Hypocrism]

This isn't very helpful (to me)... I use F2L and 4LLL and my averages are over a minute.

So use step 1?!

 

[ComputerGuy365]

To Randomno:

It really can take practice. I used to average 1 min - 1:30 with Intuitive F2l and 4LLL. It took me a few months of consistent practice to reach about 40 secs. I now average about 25 secs. Learn F2l really well and practice and you should at least get Sub 1!

Hope this helps,

Zach