[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[MJS Cubing]

Why would you learn 5 algs for one OLL?

Agreed. I think I'll just stick to the two that I already know, unless you can give me one that is definetly better.

 

[Owen Morrison]

Agreed. I think I'll just stick to the two that I already know, unless you can give me one that is definetly better.

Have you tried the one I use? imo it is the fastest.

 

[ProStar]

Have you tried the one I use? imo it is the fastest.

tbh I hate your one lol You have to regrip at the beginning for the rotation, then at the end you have to do another rotation in order to do PLL

 

[Owen Morrison]

tbh I hate your one lol You have to regrip at the beginning for the rotation, then at the end you have to do another rotation in order to do PLL

huh okay.

 

[fortissim2]

Agreed. I think I'll just stick to the two that I already know, unless you can give me one that is definetly better.

Those 5 algs are standard COLL algs. Each alg is very fast as well.

 

[RubiksBoy198765]

I am averaging around 15 and have been for about 3 months. Does anyone know how to get better. I know full PLL most OLL. Average 2 seconds cross 8 seconds F2L 3 Seconds OLL 3 seconds PLL

 

[Owen Morrison]

I am averaging around 15 and have been for about 3 months. Does anyone know how to get better. I know full PLL most OLL. Average 2 seconds cross 8 seconds F2L 3 Seconds OLL 3 seconds PLL

Learn how to plan out cross+1 in inspection, work on solving very slowly and having very fluid turning, finish learning OLL, drill your PLLS and OLLS they should take you 2 seconds each.

 

[ProStar]

Now is probably a good time to finish up those OLLs. Could you maybe post an example solve or two? It would be great to see how you do your F2L, as efficiency is huge and always can be improved

 

[Owen Morrison]

I have a question, if I want to learn some ZBLLs should I learn COLL first or not? I don't plan on learning the entire ZBLL set but I want to learn a few. Is COLL necessary to learn some of ZBLL?

 

[PetrusQuber]

I would say you should, it helps with ZBLL recognition, and quite a few will be ZBLLs you will learn. Learning COLL and using it in your solves also helps you get used to that type of recognition, which is why just learning COLL recog and not the set isn’t as helpful.

 

[ProStar]

I have a question, if I want to learn some ZBLLs should I learn COLL first or not? I don't plan on learning the entire ZBLL set but I want to learn a few. Is COLL necessary to learn some of ZBLL?

Yeah, you definately should learn the COLL for any ZBLLs you learn, if not all of COLL

 

[Owen Morrison]

so I should learn COLL to help with recognition but I shouldn't use them in solves? Or should I only use the COLLs if it will act as a ZBLL?

 

[Deleted member 51471]

so I should learn COLL to help with recognition but I shouldn't use them in solves? Or should I only use the COLLs if it will act as a ZBLL?

Some say to learn it others don't. How many ZBLLs do you plan on learning, like 10 or like 50 ?

 

[Owen Morrison]

Some say to learn it others don't. How many ZBLLs do you plan on learning, like 10 or like 50 ?

I want to learn one every average of 100. so probably around 50-100.

 

[ProStar]

I want to learn one every average of 100. so probably around 50-100.

Then I'd just recommend learning COLL first; it helps with recognition, and those algs are going to be used in ZBLL anyway

 

[PetrusQuber]

Learn COLL, use it in your solves. As I said, learning recognition doesn’t help much if you don’t learn to be able to use it and do it fast.

 

[Owen Morrison]

Learn COLL, use it in your solves. As I said, learning recognition doesn’t help much if you don’t learn to be able to use it and do it fast.

Should I use COLL in solves for COLL cases or only for the ZBLL?

 

[ProStar]

Should I use COLL in solves for COLL cases or only for the ZBLL?

If you get an EO skip, then you should use COLL. But don't try to use VH or purposely do 2-look OLL. Aside from doing something like a sledge insert, just let EO skips come naturally

 

[PetrusQuber]

Don’t forget to do some COLL training occasionally as well. EO skips will come not very commonly.

 

[Owen Morrison]

sorry for lots of questions, but should I learn the COLLs for the sune and antisune cases? or will they be slower than OCLL and PLL because sune and antisune are such fast algs?