[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[PetrusQuber]

Welcome! Unless you have some serious physical problems, sub 30 is definitely possible! Gradually learn all the F2L algs, intuitively or algorithmically, then practise them. As soon as you see a case, you should be able to execute the alg without thinking.
Plus, make sure you search for the best case. Learn 4LLL if you haven’t already, and work on cross - use your inspection time (15 secs) to find pieces.
F2L algs
4LLL algs
IMPORTANT EDIT: Do you use beginner’s or CFOP? If you use CFOP, follow above steps. If not, you may want to learn it. try here

Also, there are other methods, like Petrus, Roux and ZZ. Maybe CFOP doesn’t suit you. This thread should help.

 

[khuneidi]

Welcome! Unless you have some serious physical problems, sub 30 is definitely possible! Gradually learn all the F2L algs, intuitively or algorithmically, then practise them. As soon as you see a case, you should be able to execute the alg without thinking.
Plus, make sure you search for the best case. Learn 4LLL if you haven’t already, and work on cross - use your inspection time (15 secs) to find pieces.
F2L algs
4LLL algs
IMPORTANT EDIT: Do you use beginner’s or CFOP? If you use CFOP, follow above steps. If not, you may want to learn it. try here

Also, there are other methods, like Petrus, Roux and ZZ. Maybe CFOP doesn’t suit you. This thread should help.

Thanks Petrus .. i started as usual will beginner method and after couple of days i felt like a robot and wanted to find a more advance method so immediately i switched to CFOP and here the struggle started in losing time in F2L, which made me lose some fate ..

 

[Llewelys]

You can just do solves again and again until you're sub30-25. The more you practice, the faster you'll improve.
PetrusCuber is talking about 15s inspection but I believe it's best to not time your inspection at all: take as long as you need to get used to solving cross on bottom

 

[PetrusQuber]

Thanks Petrus .. i started as usual will beginner method and after couple of days i felt like a robot and wanted to find a more advance method so immediately i switched to CFOP and here the struggle started in losing time in F2L, which made me lose some fate ..

Well, when you learn new things, you’re bad at them, but gradually get better!

 

[ProStar]

Since you already know F2L, learn 4 look last layer. Make sure you do your cross on the bottom instead of on top. Then just practice, specifically your F2L, as it's the hardest step to get good at. Just keep practicing and you'll get there!

 

[Llewelys]

the struggle started in losing time in F2L, which made me lose some fate ..

To avoid getting discouraged don't time your solves, take the time to understand how pieces move

 

[DADA]

Hello, everyone!
I average 16-18s. I know all PLLs except N perms and can do all PLLs I know in 1-3s (excluding recognition time). I do two look OLL except for some easy OLL cases. I finish cross in 1-3s and finish F2L by 8-12s. If anyone will share their advice on what I should work on or any tips, I would be very grateful.

Other notes:
I am not colour neutral and can only do white and yellow cross.
I am using the Yuxin little magic.
I have been cubing for 5 years but have been on and off.
Now I do around 50-150 practice solves a day.

 

[Cubinwitdapizza]

Just learn full OLL and PLL and you’ll probably be sub 15.

 

[icarneiro]

Hello, everyone!
I average 16-18s. I know all PLLs except N perms and can do all PLLs I know in 1-3s (excluding recognition time). I do two look OLL except for some easy OLL cases. I finish cross in 1-3s and finish F2L by 8-12s. If anyone will share their advice on what I should work on or any tips, I would be very grateful.

Other notes:
I am not colour neutral and can only do white and yellow cross.
I am using the Yuxin little magic.
I have been cubing for 5 years but have been on and off.
Now I do around 50-150 practice solves a day.

I'm in exactly the same group you are in, dual CN, 16-18s...
Now I'm learning full OLL, i know about 35/57 cases, it's too hard =/

A little advice: learn at least Na perm, it's easy, this is the best alg, save a lot of time, and you can learn now .
(R U R' U) (R U R' F') (R U R' U') R' F R2 U' R' U') (U' R U' R')
(R U R' U) (Jb perm) (U' R U' R')

I'm still too lazy to learn the best Nb perm alg


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[EngiNerdBrian]

Thanks Petrus .. i started as usual will beginner method and after couple of days i felt like a robot and wanted to find a more advance method so immediately i switched to CFOP and here the struggle started in losing time in F2L, which made me lose some fate ..

Hey there. I totally understand your mental struggle/concern. It is definitely expected that your times go up when first switching from beginner method to CFOP. Unlike the beginner method which is very robotic like you said, you now have all of this freedom to solve the bottom and middle layer. This freedom complicates Your solve quite a bit but it’s one of the most fun aspects of cubing. Cross & F2L is the area most cubers have the most room to improve on. It’s very hard at first until you “get it.” Even once you “get it” knowing the best way to approach F2L and cross still takes a lot cube smarts which just comes with experience and of course learning from others.

When I was in a similar situation as you I actually bought 2 extra cubes and left only the cross on one and cross+F2L stickers on another. I found this extremely helpful at finding good cross and F2L solutions.

There’s a lot to learn at this point in the cube journey and it’s expected your times slow, keep you head up and best of luck!

 

[Cubingcubecuber]

I'm in exactly the same group you are in, dual CN, 16-18s...
Now I'm learning full OLL, i know about 35/57 cases, it's too hard =/

A little advice: learn at least Na perm, it's easy, this is the best alg, save a lot of time, and you can learn now .
(R U R' U) (R U R' F') (R U R' U') R' F R2 U' R' U') (U' R U' R')
(R U R' U) (Jb perm) (U' R U' R')

I'm still too lazy to learn the best Nb perm alg


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R U L’ U2 R U’ L R’ U L’ U2 R U’ L

 

[BenChristman1]

I'm in exactly the same group you are in, dual CN, 16-18s...
Now I'm learning full OLL, i know about 35/57 cases, it's too hard =/

A little advice: learn at least Na perm, it's easy, this is the best alg, save a lot of time, and you can learn now .
(R U R' U) (R U R' F') (R U R' U') R' F R2 U' R' U') (U' R U' R')
(R U R' U) (Jb perm) (U' R U' R')

I'm still too lazy to learn the best Nb perm alg

I just use the lefty Na perm for Nb. I also do the lefty Jb perm for Ja.

 

[Marsio95]

Hello guys. I started cubing for the first time at the beginning of June and now is already almost 7 months cubing. I learned F2l and 2 look PLL and OLL, but my times are stucked on an average between 27 and 35. It takes my always between 16 and 22 seconds to compleate cross and F2L. What should i do to improve my times? I'm currently using a Gan X. Thank you for everything.

 

[Owen Morrison]

I recommend Watching J-Perms videos on Youtube, he has great guides to cross and F2L as well as Oll and Pll. Watch some videos about look-ahead.

 

[Parity Nightmare]

Sorry dude but honestly just practice. I average about 20 seconds with 4LLL (4 look last layer).
Try to be able to do Cross + F2L in 13~14 seconds. (Look ahead)
And drill all of your algorithms. (OLL & PLL)
You dont really have to learn full OLL & PLL or advanced F2L until you are sub-20
Also J-Perm videos are great.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

Learn new f2l special cases and tricks. You should be able to solve f2l with minimum rotations.
Can you solve each case in any slot?

I recommend watching cubeskills f2l videos. This should make you busy for a while

Intermediate Cross and F2L

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[PetrusQuber]

Use your 15 seconds of inspection to find cross pieces, you should almost know what your moves are going to be before starting. Know all F2L algorithms, and remember, 3 TPS constantly is better than bursts of 6 TPS every alg, then pausing to find your next pair. If you need to, work on last layer fingertricks and recognition.

 

[Etotheipi]

Use your 15 seconds of inspection to find cross pieces, you should almost know what your moves are going to be before starting.

Don't time your inspection when starting out, get used to inspecting first before timing your self, then move on to 15 second inspection as PetrusQuber said.

 

[ProStar]

As everyone above me has stated, you literally just need to practice. I remember when I was stuck around the 35 second mark, eventually improvement will come. OLL and PLL aren't needed yet, 4lll is fine. All you have to do is just practice F2L over and over.

 

[Cuberstache]

Hello guys. I started cubing for the first time at the beginning of June and now is already almost 7 months cubing. I learned F2l and 2 look PLL and OLL, but my times are stucked on an average between 27 and 35. It takes my always between 16 and 22 seconds to compleate cross and F2L. What should i do to improve my times? I'm currently using a Gan X. Thank you for everything.

Yeah, the main thing is making sure you have good F2L solutions. You don't want to be playing around with a pair until it works, you want to see a pair and immediately know how to solve it in ~7 moves. The CubeSkills videos posted above should help with that. This is the key to lookahead. If you know exactly how to solve one pair, you can use your subconscious muscle memory to execute that pair while your conscious brain focuses on finding the next pair.