[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[hadofhfo]

.General question on what to do next.
Here are my splits:
3 second cross
13 second f2l
7 second LL
anything I should really be focusing on to improve? I'm leaning towards f2l, but most of my algs are pretty efficient, 8 moves or less with some exceptions.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

.General question on what to do next.
Here are my splits:
3 second cross
13 second f2l
7 second LL
anything I should really be focusing on to improve? I'm leaning towards f2l, but most of my algs are pretty efficient, 8 moves or less with some exceptions.

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[hadofhfo]

thx

 

[Anthem]

I just broke sub 30 and would like to know what I should prioritize to get sub 20

 

[icarneiro]

I just broke sub 30 and would like to know what I should prioritize to get sub 20

most important: improve your F2L and a good look ahead

and learning full PLL


that's enough to be sub-20

 

[SMTCubes]

Hello everyone,

Is sub-10 in 2 months possible?

I average about 11-12 seconds with CFOP. I have a competition in mid-October (Bay Area Speedcubin' 20).

Here is my goal and current time breakdown:
Goal:
Cross (with first pair recognition)- 1 second
F2L- 5.5 seconds
OLL (with PLL recognition)- 1.5-1.75 seconds
PLL- 1.25-1.5 seconds
Time: 9.5 seconds


Current:
Cross- 1.5 seconds
First pair recognition- ~0-0.5 seconds
F2L- 5.5-6 seconds
OLL (with PLL recognition)- ~2 seconds
PLL- ~2 seconds
Time: 11-12 seconds


Is this a reasonable goal to reach? If not, is it reasonable to reach this by the beginning of 2020?

Thanks!

 

[DGCubes]

Definitely possible, but I'd need more information about your progress/practice habits to say if it's likely. I personally was averaging mid-11 about two years ago and still haven't quite reached sub-10. Others have gotten sub-10 within their first year of cubing.

I'd say it mainly comes down to how much you focus on 3x3 as opposed to other events, as well as how effective your practice habits are. There's also the more intangible factor of "natural talent;" some people will need to put in more effort than others to improve quickly.

 

[iLikeCheese]

If you practise a lot and the right way you can definitely do it, make sure you do more than just solves while practising, but still 5 or more thousand solves and you can probably do it

 

[SMTCubes]

Definitely possible, but I'd need more information about your progress/practice habits to say if it's likely. I personally was averaging mid-11 about two years ago and still haven't quite reached sub-10. Others have gotten sub-10 within their first year of cubing.

I'd say it mainly comes down to how much you focus on 3x3 as opposed to other events, as well as how effective your practice habits are. There's also the more intangible factor of "natural talent;" some people will need to put in more effort than others to improve quickly.

I just wanted to mention that I'm a pretty big fan of your channel lol.

To answer your question, I was stuck at a 13-14 second roadblock for some time but I've been steadily improving from here, getting myself to a 12.09 AO100. I basically only focus on 3x3 with the exception of some 3x3OH, and I'm not sure about the "natural talent" thing. I'm trying to find good practice habits and good things to start picking up (getting my first pair in inspection, etc...)

 

[aerocube]

if you practice stuff like BLD cross and planning first pair in inspection you can get sub 10 in 2 months

 

[KillerCuber]

Do I have to learn full PLL first or be colour neutral. I average about 40 and know advanced f2l, 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL.

 

[SM cubing]

i can assure you that you dont know “advanced” f2l, so i would improve on that, but also i think if you want to be color neutral PLEASE do it now when its easy to improve. also learning algs is improtant, so id say learn pll first and then immediatly after do oll. during all this, improve your f2l by getting efficient solutions for each and every case

 

[KillerCuber]

i can assure you that you dont know “advanced” f2l, so i would improve on that, but also i think if you want to be color neutral PLEASE do it now when its easy to improve. also learning algs is improtant, so id say learn pll first and then immediatly after do oll. during all this, improve your f2l by getting efficient solutions for each and every case

Thanks man

 

[GAN 356 X]

I just broke sub 30 and would like to know what I should prioritize to get sub 20

Learn full pll (trust me, it helps heaps), work on f2l and cross efficiency, and you should be good.

 

[THENXY]

Yo Cubers,
Bit of context, when I was young I use to speed cube back in 2012-early 2013 and stopped for some reason averaging around 15-16s, came back 5 weeks ago and bought a budget QIYI warrior cube, the first day was averaging sub 40 because I had lost my speed and OLL & PLL algs. Fast forward now I got from SUB40 to now averaging 17.5, in 5 weeks. Finally learnt full pll and nearly half OLL and use intuitive f2l with some adv algs. With my mass cutting of times how long till I can achieve that big sub 10 and sub15 and how do I get there because I don't think learning OLL full would do as much.

I attached a spreadsheet of me recording my averages and PBS for the past 3 weeks.

 

[Jeff Dunham]

Ye. I started learning how to solve about 3 weeks ago. I learned CFOP.
Currently my algorithm bank looks like this:

• Full PLL (have been practising this for about 1-2 weeks)
• 2 Look OLL.
• Some F2L algorithms. (Not many; about 12 out of the 41 basic cases.

My time average is 40 seconds. (pb is 36 with PLL skip, 39 full step).
Which algorithms should I learn next? F2L, Full OLL , both at the same time? I can usually learn 5 algorithms a day, but since retaining that knowledge is crucial I need to learn it in the right order.
My splits are like this:
Cross: 6-7 Seconds
F2L: 20 seconds
OLL: 8 Seconds
PLL: 7 Seconds

 

[OreKehStrah]

Ye. I started learning how to solve about 3 weeks ago. I learned CFOP.
Currently my algorithm bank looks like this:

• Full PLL (have been practising this for about 1-2 weeks)
• 2 Look OLL.
• Some F2L algorithms. (Not many; about 12 out of the 41 basic cases.

My time average is 40 seconds. (pb is 36 with PLL skip, 39 full step).
Which algorithms should I learn next? F2L, Full OLL , both at the same time? I can usually learn 5 algorithms a day, but since retaining that knowledge is crucial I need to learn it in the right order.
My splits are like this:
Cross: 6-7 Seconds
F2L: 20 seconds
OLL: 8 Seconds
PLL: 7 Seconds

As someone averaging between 10-13 my advice would be before anything else, make sure you don’t take a lazy approach and use poor finger tricks. I’m not having to go through and train my hands to do things like lefty D2 and U2 and other finger tricks I should’ve been practicing. Also I would practice your F2L and learn good ways to solve cases. 2 look OLL can get your pretty far, and if you do your F2L well, you can usually just influence EO so you always have all your top cross solved and use 1 alg for orient the corners. This should only be used as a stopgap solution though. Eventually you’ll wanna learn full OLL except maybe dot cases. I’d try learning 1 OLL alg a day and you can mirror it if you want and essentially get 2 OLLs from one alg. Hope this helps!

 

[abunickabhi]

Learn 5-Style, it has CFOP like move count, and you can do it with eyes closed yo!

 

[icarneiro]

WORK ON YOUR F2L NOW!!!!

20 seconds is too much! if you learn now full 1look OLL, you wont decrease your time considerable.
and whenever you practice your F2L, you will make your 2look oll and 1 look pll faster and faster...

when you become sub-20, work in your look ahead and learn some new 1look OLL cases to save time
i guess 1look OLL is the last step, because save about 1... 1.5 seconds in your solve

full PLL in 3 weeks of learning CFOP is too fast, congrats!
Good luck!

 

[Jeff Dunham]

@icarneiro and @OreKehStrah

Would you suggest using a resource like J perm's f2l pdf to learn some efficient algorithms for certain cases? Just looked over it, I actually know 22 out of the 41 basic cases (some algorithmically, but majority muscle memory) not 12.