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  1. AreRouxAmused

    AreRouxAmused Member

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    the main reason I was attracted to zz was the the ll skips chances are reduced but I liked Roux because it is very intuitive. So I guess I will practice both and see. Thank you for your advice.
     
  2. AlphaSheep

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    Roux has better chances for skips. 1 in 162 chance for a CMLL skip, 1 in 32 chance of an EO skip, 1 in 30 chance for a UL+UR skip, 1 in 24 chance for an L4E skip. It leaves you with some sort of skip in 10.8% of your solves. In ZZ-CT, you actually only skip a step in 0.5% of solves. For reference, ZZ+COLL+EPLL has a skip in 8.9% of solves.

    Also 42 algs for Roux (33 new if you're coming from CFOP) vs 198 for ZZ-CT (170 new if you're coming from CFOP) is a pretty big difference. ZZ+COLL+EPLL has only 46 algs, roughly half of which are shared with Roux.

    I like @shadowslice e's advice of learning both methods before making a decision, but ZZ-CT is a pretty advanced variant of ZZ that requires significant commitment to learn.
     
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  3. Is a nemesis someone who is better than you in every event?

    Is there a term for when you are not better than someone else in any of their events?
    I saw the link in muchacho's sig, and when I checked my continental nemesis's, Bill Wang wasn't there. I knew I wasn't better than him in anything, but it turns out that I've done more events than him (Pyra, Skewb, Sq-1, Feet), so I actually am.
    It seems I've cut down on many of my possible nemesis's by being half decent at Feet lol.

    Is there a way to find the people who I am a nemesis to? Is that called anything?
     
  4. muchacho

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    I'll try to add that (nemesis to), maybe also that about using their events instead of yours (I was going to let select what events you want to compare, maybe I'll do it if I have time).
     
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  5. muchacho

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    Done... sort of, the first of the 2 new buttons searches for slower people in the exact same events you've done, the second just adds people that have less events added to the singles table, that doesn't take into account if that person have competed in an event that you haven't. I may combine those 2 buttons and make it work like it should, but not sure.
     
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  6. Cale S

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    I feel like that would be thousands of people, with all the 30+ second 3x3 solvers with only 1 or 2 events
     
  7. AreRouxAmused

    AreRouxAmused Member

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    I do say your math is wrong you would have to multiply the fractions for each skip. ZZ-CT is the least chance for a skip and the alg set for most are triggers. but thank you anyway.
     
  8. Ahhh, that makes sense.
    Not a feasible statistic then.
     
  9. AngryMelonCuber

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    What exactly is NMLL? I am not sure I understand the process very clearly
     
  10. If you're willing to take my word for it, here's the short answer--don't worry about it or use it unless you're trying to be like sub-10 with Roux and are trying to add in various tricks to get faster singles.

    I leave the long answer to others if that's not satisfactory enough.
     
  11. AngryMelonCuber

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    I've heard that it is applicable for ZZ too, I use ZZ and CFOP. I average around 14 seconds : I want to really understand this method.
     
  12. https://alg.cubing.net/?setup=R2_R_U_R-_U-_R-_F_R2_U-_R-_U-_R_U_R-_F-_M2_U_M2_U2_M2_U_M2

    Let's say you finish left block for ZZ (white eoline on bottom), and you find that your right block, luckily enough, is sort of solved upside down as in the example above - like, it would be the correct block for a yellow EO-line from the same y orientation. And while that is not the correct block, it is not too hard to recognize what needs to be done in this example. The LL very much resembles an F-perm PLL -- so give it a try. It turns out all you then need to do is solve the cube with an R2, and you're done.

    So there isn't much to learn like you would learn a method or other algorithms. The cases come up pretty rarely, and when they do, they are often hard to recognize, especially when you start getting LL corners that are not as easy as the ones above. And it gets even harder to see if your luckily solved block is an R or R' away instead of an R2

    TL;DR see my original answer. I can't think of one solve that I've ever seen by a fast CFOP or ZZ user that uses this technique.
     
  13. AngryMelonCuber

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    Thanks very much......it seems that I had already encountered this and I had also solved the problem similarly, though at that point of time, I didn't know what it was called.

    Yeah, I totally agree with you, it seems kinda too hard to implement.

    anyway, thanks :)
     
  14. xyzzy

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    There's NMCLL (one-look CLL with nonmatching blocks) and then there's NMLL (two-look ZBLL with nonmatching blocks), which are similarly named, do similar things, but are not the same thing.

    NMCLL is essentially just a recognition system for CLL when your left and right layers aren't aligned: you scan for the L and R colours on the corners, then find matching colours on the two corners with L colours and matching colours on the two corners with R corners.

    NMLL splits ZBLL into two steps that are like OCLL and PLL, where instead of orienting the top face, you orient the left and right faces, then permute in one look. Because the orientation step only depends on the L and R colours, whether you use matching blocks or not doesn't matter. The permutation step can be recognised similarly to NMCLL by looking for matching colours. This needs the last layer edges to already be oriented, so it's most applicable to ZZ.
     
  15. Dom

    Dom Member

    Finger tricks for U2:
    Index, middle?
    Or
    Middle, index?

    Which is faster to start teaching myself?
     
  16. RennuR

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    Index Middle EASILY. It just flows way better. This is my opinion, but I believe it is the opinion of most. Do that one ;)
     
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  17. Dom

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    Is that how you do it on bigger puzzles as well? Like 4x4 and 5x5?
     
  18. RennuR

    RennuR Member

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    I had a 4x4 for a while, and yeah thats exactly how I did it. I sold my 4x4, didnt have time to really get into the event, rather sell it for a 3x3 which is my main event, so I need to focus on that ;).

    But back on topic yeah thats how I did it
     
  19. When your doing a Ao12 or 50 on and lets say your in the middle of doing it. The last five solves you did ended up being your PB Ao5. Would that still count as your PB or do you just have a Ao5?

    Thanks.
     
  20. Dash Lambda

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    No reason for it not to...
     

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