# The New Method / Substep / Concept Idea Thread

#### the dnf master

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Algs being consistent/locky is subject to the user's fingertricks. There are people who screw up the RUS U perms consistently and there are people like Brian Sun who can do them in 0.4 in a solve consistently.
(Coincidentally, my only sub 1 PLL is R2 U' S R2' S' R2 U R2 lol)
Not really, there are a lot of people who use the same fingertricks for an alg, because it's the best, yet some can achieve amazing amazing times while others lock up 95% of the time.

#### Cubing Forever

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Not really, there are a lot of people who use the same fingertricks for an alg, because it's the best, yet some can achieve amazing amazing times while others lock up 95% of the time.
Oh wait I used the wrong word lol. I meant turning style.

#### MJbaka

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Here is a very interesting idea for a method that it very similar to CFOP/CFCE in a way, if you inspect it closely.
1. Build a 2 by 2 by 2 block anywhere on the cube
2. Solve the three corners that are touching the block, and simultaneously solve a edge adjacent to each corner
3. Permute the remaining four corners (28 Algorithms)
4. Permute the remaining four edges (About 50 Algorithms)
The Pros: Solving corner edge pairs after making block is more efficient since you can solve either edge pair adjacent to the corner, so you can decide which edge pair would be faster and more effective

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#### OreKehStrah

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Here is a very interesting idea for a method that it very similar to CFOP/CFCE in a way, if you inspect it closely.
1. Build a 2 by 2 by 2 block anywhere on the cube
2. Solve the three corners that are touching the block, and simultaneously solve a edge adjacent to each corner
3. Permute the remaining four corners (28 Algorithms)
4. Permute the remaining four edges (About 50 Algorithms)
The Pros: Solving corner edge pairs after making block is more efficient since you can solve either edge pair adjacent to the corner, so you can decide which edge pair would be faster and more effective
That’s like Tripod but probably worse

#### Cubewerkz

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Hi

Here is a hybrid beginner method that was developed based on my years of cubing. It is based on understanding the cube and use less moves than classic layer by layer. It is quite intuitive and basically use just sexy moves and the inverse, keyhole, commutator concepts. The idea is this

1) Solve the cross intuitively
2) Solve 3 corners
3) solve 3 edges using keyholes (7 edges oriented and permutted)
4) Orient and Permute Remaining 5 edges ( Senarios: 1 Good, 4 bad, 3 Good, 2 bad)
5a) Invert cube with the unsolved 4 corners as bottom layer. Use the last unsolved corner at UFR position to solve last remaining corners (use only RUR’U’ and URU’R’). Use D moves as setup moves
5b) Solve till last 2 corners ( 3 scenarios: Solved, 1 twisted CW and another CCW and vice versa)
5c) Solve last 3 corners using commuters by forcing a skip.

Example 1:
Example 2 :

Feel free to ask me question. ( There are additional videos for orientation of last 5 edges)

#### Filipe Teixeira

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Hi

Here is a hybrid beginner method that was developed based on my years of cubing. It is based on understanding the cube and use less moves than classic layer by layer. It is quite intuitive and basically use just sexy moves and the inverse, keyhole, commutator concepts. The idea is this

1) Solve the cross intuitively
2) Solve 3 corners
3) solve 3 edges using keyholes (7 edges oriented and permutted)
4) Orient and Permute Remaining 5 edges ( Senarios: 1 Good, 4 bad, 3 Good, 2 bad)
5a) Invert cube with the unsolved 4 corners as bottom layer. Use the last unsolved corner at UFR position to solve last remaining corners (use only RUR’U’ and URU’R’). Use D moves as setup moves
5b) Solve till last 2 corners ( 3 scenarios: Solved, 1 twisted CW and another CCW and vice versa)
5c) Solve last 3 corners using commuters by forcing a skip.

Example 1:
Example 2 :

Feel free to ask me question. ( There are additional videos for orientation of last 5 edges)
this looks a lot like 8355/sam/miris

#### Cubewerkz

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this looks a lot like 8355/sam/miris

Basically it was developed independently as I already know edges first technique before I know what others had developed, I had another tutorial on that as well ( it use sledge hammer and inverse sledge hammer). The add on steps are as follows. I had 2 skip techniques for last 5 corners

#### Cubing Forever

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Hi

Here is a hybrid beginner method that was developed based on my years of cubing. It is based on understanding the cube and use less moves than classic layer by layer. It is quite intuitive and basically use just sexy moves and the inverse, keyhole, commutator concepts. The idea is this

1) Solve the cross intuitively
2) Solve 3 corners
3) solve 3 edges using keyholes (7 edges oriented and permutted)
4) Orient and Permute Remaining 5 edges ( Senarios: 1 Good, 4 bad, 3 Good, 2 bad)
5a) Invert cube with the unsolved 4 corners as bottom layer. Use the last unsolved corner at UFR position to solve last remaining corners (use only RUR’U’ and URU’R’). Use D moves as setup moves
5b) Solve till last 2 corners ( 3 scenarios: Solved, 1 twisted CW and another CCW and vice versa)
5c) Solve last 3 corners using commuters by forcing a skip.

Example 1:
Example 2 :

Feel free to ask me question. ( There are additional videos for orientation of last 5 edges)
this looks a lot like 8355/sam/miris

Nope. It is 8355.

#### StrategySam

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new os idea?
1. 2x2x3 in inspection
2. While in inspection choose either Mehta TDR, petrus, ZB, which ever fits the rest of the solve best.

#### LukasCubes

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new os idea?
1. 2x2x3 in inspection
2. While in inspection choose either Mehta TDR, petrus, ZB, which ever fits the rest of the solve best.

#### Filipe Teixeira

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[freefop hides in the corner]

#### Metallic Silver

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Idk if someone probably already made this method now, but long time ago when I was still using Lazy CFOP, one of the side methods I made was ZZ-1/a.

ZZ-1/a is the same concept of ZZ-a, except that you use Anti-ZBLL.

Steps:
1. EOLine except you force top layer edges to be bad (unless...).
- It depends on certain cases, if all top layer edges are good, just do regular ZZ. If you have 1-3 good ones, it depends on certain EO cases. You choose the shortest move count, either ZZ-a or ZZ-1/a. Most in all, you always choose the shortest move count option.
2. ZZF2L
3. Anti-ZBLL
- During this time, I wasn't that advanced, so I just did CLL and Dotted ELL, in which I completely forgot how to do now.

Anti-ZBLL was a little helpful because last layer cases are easier to recognize. But that's the only Pro side I can think of.
Forcing yourself to do EOLine with bad top layer edges can be a trip, so it's best to just decide depending on the scramble, whether to do ZZ-a or ZZ-1/a, instead of just sticking with one method.

#### zzoomer

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Anti-ZBLL algs overall seem a lot worse than ZBLL.
last layer cases are easier to recognize.
Hard disagree.

#### OreKehStrah

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Anti-ZBLL algs overall seem a lot worse than ZBLL.

Hard disagree.
Yeah but you have to consider how few people have worked on the algs. Im slowly working on genning XLL as I have time. Also flipped edges is a lot easier to have two sided PLL recog for than having to do twisty recog for ZB.

#### MJbaka

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What the heck even is anti-ZBLL

#### LukasCubes

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1. F2L without DF edge
2. L5EOP (20 algs)
3. ZBLL (493 algs)

With L5EOP since the corners arent solved, I feel like it could have better and faster algs. This method can result in a low move count as I got a sub10 with this method off camera. No I'm not gonna recon. I also feel like this can result in a low movecount solve.

9.937 D2 R2 U2 F2 L2 U2 B2 R' D2 R' B2 R F U F U F' L D2 B'

#### Filipe Teixeira

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What the heck even is anti-ZBLL
I think it's 1LLL when all edges are flipped

#### LukasCubes

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I think it's 1LLL when all edges are flipped
Yep, ZBLL but no edges oriented

#### MJbaka

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Yep, ZBLL but no edges oriented
But wouldn't that have terrible algs, seeing as dot cases are already bad enough?

#### GodCubing

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Cll+1 is the best LL method
Prove me wrong