One-Answer 3x3x3 Question Thread

[effperm]

full oll is pretty good wdym i mean it has alot of algs but if you learn all of them you become speed fast. Besides some of its algs are easy and recognizable.

no what i meant is the numbers

why is a 4 flip OLL 20 and the h case OLL 57

it doesnt make sense

 

[xyzzy]

no what i meant is the numbers

why is a 4 flip OLL 20 and the h case OLL 57

it doesnt make sense

Yes, it doesn't make sense, and that's because they weren't collated very systematically. There are some patterns here and there, but no overarching reason as to why the numbers are what they are.

I'm seeking to improve my cfop and reduce my shockingly excessive cube rotations during f2l.
Question: Is it good practice after cross to have a certain colour face pointing towards you, so as you match f2l pairs you always know where each corner combination is located?
I know we solve with yellow up and white on the bottom, I just wonder I people then solve knowing red/green is back right, green/orange is back left, etc. Or whether you just have to be fluid and recognise and track which corner combo is where.

Thanks, and hope my ramble makes sense

Don't use a fixed front colour. It's one of those things that might have short-term benefit (except even this is questionable), but hinders long-term improvement.

For that matter, you should try going for full colour neutrality (using any cross colour, not just white). It gets harder the longer you delay it.

 

[SatansJester]

Thanks, xyzzy.
I have seen recommendations to start colour neutrality, I tried it once and the solve took five minutes and mashed my brain.
It's clearly important, given how often its suggested, but I'm confused as to its benefit, since everyone solves white down.
I think ill have to research it as my learning of it will only make sense if I know why I'm learning it (I struggle to learn stuff if I don't understand the point of it).
Thanks again

 

[PetrusQuber]

Thanks, xyzzy.
I have seen recommendations to start colour neutrality, I tried it once and the solve took five minutes and mashed my brain.
It's clearly important, given how often its suggested, but I'm confused as to its benefit, since everyone solves white down.
I think ill have to research it as my learning of it will only make sense if I know why I'm learning it (I struggle to learn stuff if I don't understand the point of it).
Thanks again

Not everyone solves white down, top solvers are CN. It gives you an advantage because you have 5 more options at the start, so chances of getting a lucky cross goes up and chances of getting unlucky with all crosses go down

 

[xyzzy]

Thanks, xyzzy.
I have seen recommendations to start colour neutrality, I tried it once and the solve took five minutes and mashed my brain.
It's clearly important, given how often its suggested, but I'm confused as to its benefit, since everyone solves white down.
I think ill have to research it as my learning of it will only make sense if I know why I'm learning it (I struggle to learn stuff if I don't understand the point of it).
Thanks again

You get to use the best starting colour, which is basically all of the benefit of CN.

Thing is, while for CFOP it seems like CN isn't worth it – you save only one move on average and pay for it with worse recognition – in the long run, it's the only thing that lets you save as much as one move without having to learn any new algs. For example, full OLL saves around 5 moves over 2-look OLL, but at the cost of needing almost fifty additional algs. Full ZB saves 7-ish moves over full OLL+PLL, at the cost of seven hundred additional algs. From an (algs to learn) : (move count saved) perspective, colour neutrality is infinitely better than most other ways to improve on a CFOP solve.

There are second-order effects like shorter cross solutions making it easier to plan cross+1, but tbh I think many people overstate the usefulness of CN in this context, as if it's the only reason to be CN.

 

[Swagrid]

I'm seeking to improve my cfop and reduce my shockingly excessive cube rotations during f2l.
Question: Is it good practice after cross to have a certain colour face pointing towards you, so as you match f2l pairs you always know where each corner combination is located?
I know we solve with yellow up and white on the bottom, I just wonder I people then solve knowing red/green is back right, green/orange is back left, etc. Or whether you just have to be fluid and recognise and track which corner combo is where.

Thanks, and hope my ramble makes sense

with CFOP, I wouldn't imagine attempting fixed orientation would be good. Seems to be that it'd be better to have whichever side is optimal in front. Been a while since I used CFOP though, so I'm not sure

 

[Kaneki Uchiha]

whats the avg movecount for zbll algs?

 

[PetraPine]

whats the avg movecount for zbll algs?

16 for speed-optimal algs

 

[abunickabhi]

Is method neutrality a thing? Do you guys think that becoming method neutral will help out in getting more consistent solves for the 3x3. Which method combination will be the easiest learning curve - CFOP+Roux , Petrus+Waterman or say ZZ+3-style.

Does having more contrasting methods help in forming judgement during the 15 seconds inspection? Will paradox of choice occur when we find good starts from two methods and cannot decide on how to actually start the solve.

 

[Spacey10]

Is method neutrality a thing? Do you guys think that becoming method neutral will help out in getting more consistent solves for the 3x3. Which method combination will be the easiest learning curve - CFOP+Roux , Petrus+Waterman or say ZZ+3-style.

Does having more contrasting methods help in forming judgement during the 15 seconds inspection? Will paradox of choice occur when we find good starts from two methods and cannot decide on how to actually start the solve.

Ok, so at the bignning of inspection, you ha e to pick between 3 methods (for example)
Roux
ZZ
CFOP
Firstly, you would ha e to pick a method based in the cube, looking for things like amde pairs, AND connected pieces, AND EO, AND solved cross pieces. You have to do all of them to pick the best method.
Secondly, do more in-depth inspection of the method you chose.
For CFOP, look for cross and maybe plus 1
For Roux, inspect into 2nd block
For ZZ, EO and cross
For the first part, the inspection will take 3 seconds, about.
For the second part, if you picked CFOP, it will take about 9 to 10 seconds
For Roux, it is similar
For ZZ it is about 11 or 12 seconds
You may think that, that's nice, it's right around 15 seconds, well, people start freaking out at 12, which means a more rushed inspection, resulting in worse times/more DNFs, and you need time to place the cube and start the timer.

 

[Nir1213]

having a problem with my 3x3 its a moyu rs3m. I've had it for 2 months but now for some reason when i turn sometimes a corner flips or it catches and gets stuck and when i try to force it to move some pieces fly out. The pieces can also break a little bit so i have to push the plastic sides back in.

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[swburk]

having a problem with my 3x3 its a moyu rs3m. I've had it for 2 months but now for some reason when i turn sometimes a corner flips or it catches and gets stuck and when i try to force it to move some pieces fly out. The pieces can also break a little bit so i have to push the plastic sides back in.

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It sounds like your cube may have just loosened up as it broke in. The same thing has happened to my RS3M as well. Maybe try adjusting the tensions a little bit and see if that fixes it.

 

[Nir1213]

It sounds like your cube may have just loosened up as it broke in. The same thing has happened to my RS3M as well. Maybe try adjusting the tensions a little bit and see if that fixes it.

it didn't work. It probably is like that because it doesnt have any lube as i cleaned it all out.

 

[PetrusQuber]

Maybe you did something with the homemade lube?
Maybe tensions are wrong?
Try unscrewing all screws completely then screw back in?
Even without lube it shouldn’t do that

 

[Deleted member 54663]

make sure the springs are not too compressed, or the cube may be too loose/tight. this is probably something w/ the tensions

 

[Nir1213]

Maybe you did something with the homemade lube?
Maybe tensions are wrong?
Try unscrewing all screws completely then screw back in?
Even without lube it shouldn’t do that

make sure the springs are not too compressed, or the cube may be too loose/tight. this is probably something w/ the tensions

I tried reassembling the cube again, and it looks like it okay now.
i think it has something to do with the cube being too loose so i adjusted the springs to be a bit tighter and it kinda worked.

 

[Deleted member 54663]

How does the magnet strength in the WRM 2020 compare to the rs3m with no extra magnets?

 

[Nir1213]

How does the magnet strength in the WRM 2020 compare to the rs3m with no extra magnets?

you cant change the magnets in the WRM, and the WRM magnets i think are about the same as rs3m.
Also i have another question: Is the WRM 2020 better or the RS3M 2020, price does not matter.
I've heard people saying that the WRM is a better RS3M.

 

[swburk]

you cant change the magnets in the WRM, and the WRM magnets i think are about the same as rs3m.
Also i have another question: Is the WRM 2020 better or the RS3M 2020, price does not matter.
I've heard people saying that the WRM is a better RS3M.

I like the WRM 2020 better, but they are both very good. The WRM 2020 just has a bit stronger magnets, is a bit smaller, and is a bit more stable for me.

 

[Nir1213]

I like the WRM 2020 better, but they are both very good. The WRM 2020 just has a bit stronger magnets, is a bit smaller, and is a bit more stable for me.

then im going for WRM now i need stability lol