[Help Thread] F2L Discussion and Help

[xyzzy]

I was wondering if that is because they are trying to teach something specific and don't have time to waste cycling through to get the case again

Bingo.

Unless the purpose of a tutorial video is to teach you how to reverse algs or set up cases, it should waste zero time on setting up cases.

 

[Sub1Hour]

Here's a question I couldn't find. When learning a new F2L alg I would usually set up the case, solve the case, keep cycling the alg until it gets back to the same case. This gives me lots of fingertrick practice for learning something new while doing my F2L. I've wondered when seeing the pros do examples of their F2L they seem to be able to do it almost as fast backwards as forwards and I was wondering if that is because they are trying to teach something specific and don't have time to waste cycling through to get the case again. I was wondering are there any advantages to learning your F2L algs backwards? (When you're not teaching). If so what are the advantages or should I just keep to cycling through the same alg till I get back to my case as practice for fingertricking?

Have you tried intuitive F2L yet? It's a great option especially if you are familiar with triggers and want to do cool stuff like edge control and case influencing.

 

[Sub1Hour]

Wide moves generally aren't great for F2L, since they make lookahead much harder

I agree, but with the exception of OH. Very fast OH solvers use wide moves to avoid awkward B and F moves as well as to cut down on rotation. Look at some fast OH solves and notice that during cross and f2l there are more wide moves used then a typical 2H solve.

 

[veryawesome]

No need the learn to execute the alg backward just repeat the alg few times until it returns to original state.

 

[Chinmay47]

I recently started doing some sledghammers during F2L to make my pairs a little more efficiently. i know it works quite well for me, but I am not able to reach the pinnacle of it. I don't yet know when and how they should be used the best. Can Somebody help me with the same?

 

[ProStar]

Certain cases can be paired by sledehammers, I'd recommend looking at an F2L doc. As far as last slot cases go, only use a sledgehammer to insert if either no edges are oriented or two adjacent edges are oriented in the top/left or top/right

 

[Chinmay47]

Certain cases can be paired by sledehammers, I'd recommend looking at an F2L doc. As far as last slot cases go, only use a sledgehammer to insert if either no edges are oriented or two adjacent edges are oriented in the top/left or top/right

Thanks buddy! will try it soon!

 

[Chinmay47]

These are the times I got with the Sledgehammer during the F2L. And given that I use Sledgehammers pretty intuitively, Have my times improved?

 

[Chinmay47]

These are the times I got with the Sledgehammer during the F2L. And given that I use Sledgehammers pretty intuitively, Have my times improved? Anymore suggestions?View attachment 12476

 

[Arkwell]

Have you tried intuitive F2L yet? It's a great option especially if you are familiar with triggers and want to do cool stuff like edge control and case influencing.

Actually I use Intuitive. My basic thing was if I figured out a really good fingering or saw someone with a better fingertrick for an alg I use I would usually setup the case, solve it then continue to do the fingering till it gets back to the case I was doing so that I'm continually practicing the fingertrick. You guys gave me the answer I was looking for being I'm not teaching I don't need to learn algs backwards since what I'm trying to do is practice specific fingertricks.
BTW...Thank to all of you for your help!

 

[Chinmay47]

That's a really good way to practice actually! Will definitely try it! Thanks buddy!

 

[Micah Morrison]

For future notice on this forum, Do Not ask for help or questions there is other forums for that

For future notice on this forum, do not bump threads that have not been replied to in a long time unless it contributes to the conversation

 

[Sub1Hour]

@The_VortexCuber I have a message for you

These forums are made with the purpose of linking us together as cubers so we should share ideas and techniques. This is absolutely a place to ask for help. That's also why there is a wiki attached to these forums. If you have a question, post it in the forums and there are plenty of people ready and willing to give you advice. So, if you have any questions or concerns, find a thread about it and ask away! If there is not an existing thread, make a new one! Dozens of people are online at a time and I'm sure you could get an answer from at least one of them.

 

[I'm A Cuber]

I don’t see a post from @The_VortexCuber

 

[Nmile7300]

I think it was deleted by a mod, because as @Sub1Hour said, his statement was completely wrong.

 

[GenTheSnail]

@The_VortexCuber I have a message for you

These forums are made with the purpose of linking us together as cubers so we should share ideas and techniques. This is absolutely a place to ask for help. That's also why there is a wiki attached to these forums. If you have a question, post it in the forums and there are plenty of people ready and willing to give you advice. So, if you have any questions or concerns, find a thread about it and ask away! If there is not an existing thread, make a new one! Dozens of people are online at a time and I'm sure you could get an answer from at least one of them.

As nice a sentiment as this is, it is wrong. Vortexcuber is actually right in this case (although the bump was not okay), but they could have expressed it more clearly.

This sub-forum, the "How-to's, Guides, etc" forum, is specifically for making tutorials and giving advice, not for asking for it. There is even a red warning message that tells people to not ask questions here (here being the sub-forum, not speedsolving as an entire site).

There is however the sub-forum "Cubing Help and Questions" that is specifically for threads like this, which is where this thread belongs to be merged with one of the F2L or CFOP focused threads.

 

[Sub1Hour]

As nice a sentiment as this is, it is wrong. Vortexcuber is actually right in this case (although the bump was not okay), but they could have expressed it more clearly.

This sub-forum, the "How-to's, Guides, etc" forum, is specifically for making tutorials and giving advice, not for asking for it. There is even a red warning message that tells people to not ask questions here (here being the sub-forum, not speedsolving as an entire site).
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There is however the sub-forum "Cubing Help and Questions" that is specifically for threads like this, which is where this thread belongs to be merged with one of the F2L or CFOP focused threads.

That's fair, if he specified that it was the sub-forum that he was talking about then he would be right, but he said forums so I interpreted that as the entire platform. It was a little unclear but under that interpretation then it would be correct, although unnecessary and really useless due to the post being old.

 

[brododragon]

Also, advanced intuitive F2L actually takes less moves because of all the techniques.

 

[Sitina]

Let’s say I inserted first two F2l pairs in back slots and two empty slots facing me. Then I got a case that I can’t insert by only doing R U L moves, would you rather do a rotation or F moves? ( i.e rotation or regrip) or are there any ways to solve this better?

 

[Cubing5life]

I think it depends on the case. For example, if both pairs require a rotation in order to be solved with R or L you should definitely rotate (rotate smart!). And always solve the pair that doesn`t require a rotation or F (exception for the good F cases) first. It would be great, if you could show one specific case you are struggling with. Btw, I think this question belongs to the “3x3 one-answer question thread“.