[Help Thread] F2L Discussion and Help

[scottishcuber]

I'd also love a good solution for this one - red/blue pair going from BR to FR please?

U' R U R' F' U' R' U R F

 

[mark49152]

Anyone got a good rotationless solution for the green-orange pair here (blue is front)?

If I don't rotate I tend to kick the pair out, and then insert with l U L' U' M but it's kinda...ugly...

U' R' F R F' then insert.

 

[obelisk477]

I'd also love a good solution for this one - red/blue pair going from BR to FR please?

No no, pick mine!

y' R' U2 R2 u R u' R'

 

[SpeedCubeReview]

Look ahead is a (sort of) intermediate-advanced techniqu

No no no

Everyone should be looking ahead from the second they pick up a cube. You do it when you walk, when you play video games, and for pretty much everything else. The speed and efficiency of looking ahead just increases with time.

 

[stoic]

Some great solutions there, thanks everyone!

 

[OkinawaSolver]

20 second cross+f2l should I switch from intuitive f2l or something else?

 

[Chree]

20 second cross+f2l should I switch from intuitive f2l or something else?

You can probably stick with intuitive F2L for quite some time. At that stage, it's still about practice, improving recognition, improving execution, and especially improving lookahead... if you can't solve a praticular case with your eyes closed, you should aim to learn how.

But you can feel free to look up algorithms for difficult cases... or just any case you're curious about. Honestly, as soon as I had the basics of intuitive F2L down, I immediately started looking at sites like Andy Klise's guides, CBC's videos, Collin Burns' videos, and the speedsolving wiki linked at the top of this very forum. All were extremely useful to me when learning how to deal with specific cases.

 

[OkinawaSolver]

You can probably stick with intuitive F2L for quite some time. At that stage, it's still about practice, improving recognition, improving execution, and especially improving lookahead... if you can't solve a praticular case with your eyes closed, you should aim to learn how.

But you can feel free to look up algorithms for difficult cases... or just any case you're curious about. Honestly, as soon as I had the basics of intuitive F2L down, I immediately started looking at sites like Andy Klise's guides, CBC's videos, Collin Burns' videos, and the speedsolving wiki linked at the top of this very forum. All were extremely useful to me when learning how to deal with specific cases.

Thanks

 

[Devin Palacios]

I need F2L help

Im not asking how i get faster i know practice what im asking is how do i get better at intuitive f2l ive been working on it for a month but nothing i havent got better by much i appreciate any answers

 

[Please Dont Ask]

Try a different set of moves to solve a case
I'm guessing that how you solve a particular case is not good enough (COMPLETELY GUESSING)
Play around with the cube and think.

 

[Devin Palacios]

Thanks for the answer
I had ran into that problem when i was starting some of my ways were way to long so i learned a couple algs for them. My move count is fairly low in my opinion for f2l i use about 30-40 moves (U2 and so on counting as two moves not one) but im averaging on a good day 12: 37 sec

 

[TDM]

Slow down and look ahead.

Turn as slow as you need to to be certain you can look ahead to the next pair without having to pause. If this is around 1 TPS, or even slower, then that's fine. But if you're feeling like it's too comfortable, then turn slightly faster, trying to push yourself a bit. Once you're comfortable with that speed, move on, and repeat until you're getting times similar to what you had before - when I first started doing this, I went even further and started breaking all my PBs.

Some people recommend a metronome. I don't like this since it's annoying, and it also restricts you to turn like a robot, at a set speed. In my opinion, it's better to - and this is the most useful thing imo - turn fast when you know what your doing, and turn slowly when you're unsure[SUP][1][/SUP]. Of course, 'slowly' could mean anything - it's whatever speed you got to by doing what I was talking about earlier. If you do this, you can get a balance of turning slowly and not pausing, and getting good times. And your F2L will be constantly improving too, up to the point where it's limited by your TPS rather than lookahead.

 

[SenorJuan]

You need to be aware of all the small sub-algorithms you can use to make pairs, there's plenty of them. I suggest working them all out, then start learning them, and recognising what the cases look like from all viewpoints. And you need to be able to make them from several different viewpoints, too, avoiding most cube rotations. Then practice inserting the pair in as many ways as you can, ie. opposite corner insertions, with minimal cube rotations again.
Look-ahead tends to come when your fingers have got a certain familiarity with doing the pair creation/insertion routine. It takes time.

 

[Devin Palacios]

Thanks i will work on it. i noticed that you use zz any idea where there is a good tutorial on eo the tutorials ive seen are really confusing

 

[CubingLegacy]

instead of using a timer slow down and look at what you see and try to pair them up in as little moves as possible

 

[MM99]

The best ZZ tutorial would have to be Phil Yus his YouTube channel is asmallkitten there's about 3 videos if I remember correctly maybe more they're kinda lengthy but I feel it's necessary because ZZ can be tough to grasp at first

 

[Devin Palacios]

Thanks i watched his tutorial its 7 parts just wondering why do you prefer zz

 

[Mom]

I'd say that watching example solves from the best can be useful. You may learn something new in regards to efficiency.

 

[theROUXbiksCube]

Thanks i watched his tutorial its 7 parts just wondering why do you prefer zz

its just R U and L moves after EOline and you get an automatic cross on top for OLL no rotations or F or B moves

 

[Devin Palacios]

its just R U and L moves after EOline and you get an automatic cross on top for OLL no rotations or F or B moves

yeah thats why i wanted to learn it