[Help Thread] F2L Discussion and Help

[xyzzy]

be warned with the GTS2M as the magnets are held in by bad glue and putting this thing down wrong can knock the magnets out

More recent (as in, anything from the past 4 months) batches of the GTS2M have slots for the magnets, which should make magnet dislodging a lot less likely than with cubes from the initial batches.

 

[CRL0312]

More recent (as in, anything from the past 4 months) batches of the GTS2M have slots for the magnets, which should make magnet dislodging a lot less likely than with cubes from the initial batches.

Wow really! I’ll have to get my hands on one!

 

[Sandro Pastor]

Hello, so I've been practicing F2L for maybe 2 weeks or something like that. I've been trying to do it from all angles and get my look ahead better. I still can't do it while speedcubing because I'm not used to it and I end up rotating the cube around for inserting and looking for pieces. I just did an average of 5 on just the F2L and the times were: 32.93 24.55 (38.00) 27.87 (23.90) = Avg. 28.45.
So now I have a doubt: should I just keep working on the look ahead and doing it from all angles without rotating the cube, should I learn any algorithms that might help me or practice F2L in any other way?
I've looked at this post: https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/how-to-get-faster-using-the-fridrich-cfop-method.6085/ but it didn't really help me too much because it just says to learn intiutive F2L and I don't know if that's exactly what I'm doing.
Thanks in advance

 

[CRL0312]

Honestly, you've only been working at it for two weeks, don't rush it, it will come naturally. If you want good F2L algs look here: http://algdb.net/Set/F2L

 

[Sandro Pastor]

Honestly, you've only been working at it for two weeks, don't rush it, it will come naturally. If you want good F2L algs look here: http://algdb.net/Set/F2L

Thanks I'll take a look at them I know I haven't gotten too much time in F2L but I just don't want to keep doing something that might not be worth or slower than another method

 

[Daniel Kim]

Hello! This is my first post in this forum.
I've been speedcubing for about a year now. The first few months I had the tendency to speedsolve for about and hour a week. Now, I spend about 3 hours a week working on memorizing new algorithms.

I average a solid 25.00s, and sometimes get a good 21.00s solve from time to time.

Cross - 2.00 seconds
F2L - 14.00 - 20.00 seconds (!?)
OLL (2 look, I know about 15 OLL cases.) - 2.00 - 3.00 seconds
PLL (1 look, all 21) - 2.00 - 3.00 seconds

Yes, I know my F2L times are ridiculous, but I just can't seem to get the hang of lookahead and transitions. I would really like to get a Sub-10 F2L, because doing so would almost cut my solve time in half.

Do you guys know anything about how I can quickly transition from cross to the first pair? How did you reach Sub-20? Any solution regarding my awful F2L would be very appreciated.

As much as I appreciate support, I'm not looking for algorithms...
Thanks!

 

[greentgoatgal]

My number one tip - don't look at the pair you're inserting. Also, j perm has a good video on look ahead you should check out.

 

[RedJack22]

NOTE: My F2L takes me probably between 10 and 15 seconds, so while I haven't achevied your goal, these are tips that I've learned from my research!

Typical advice: go slowly. My F2L isn't great, but it's getting better, and that is by going slow and looking for the next pair as I'm inserting the current pair. Also, F2L algs are extremely important! Some algs you might be using are awful, and should be changed! algdb.net had a great selection of F2L (as well as OLL and PLL + others) algs! Hope that helps!

http://algdb.net/Set/F2L

 

[Dude Blu]

I am a sub 45 cuber and average around 43 sec.....i use 2look oll and 2look pll...... i started using intuitive f2l and my speed got worse!!...is it normal or am i doing something wrong??

 

[DGraciaRubik]

It's normal, keep practicing.

 

[Sue Doenim]

Totally normal, but it'll be definitely worth it in the long run.

 

[CountDracula120]

CAN somebody help me to solve the last pair of the F2L method

i solved the other 3 but when i solve the last pair the other pair screws up can someone help me ?

 

[Duncan Bannon]

You need to do R, U, R' moves that cancels into a R, U R' insert. Try to move the pieces around without messing up other pairs, then try to insert it again. Feel free to ask more questions, I don't think I answered that very well.

 

[Oatch]

CAN somebody help me to solve the last pair of the F2L method

i solved the other 3 but when i solve the last pair the other pair screws up can someone help me ?

When forming your last pair, make use of the last empty slot to do so to avoid breaking other pairs. So for instance if you need to 'hide' one of the pieces to form an F2L pair, arrange the pieces such that you bring down the empty slot. If this still isn't clear, take a look at a few example solves online, and watch for the F2L stage. While you may see some more advanced techniques being used as well, it should give you the basic idea of how it works.

 

[FrankieD]

Just figured I'd ask.

I assume after I learn the situations a bit better my times will get better, but it's bugging me a bit.

I went from sub50 beginners to 1:30~ solving the cross upside down and F2L.

I plan to learn OLL/PLL after my cheatsheet card from TheCubicle.us comes in. I personally like having the physical material to learn from.

This handy video helped me learn F2L quickly. I just learned F2L last night, after having had previous experience solely looking for the right algorithm.

Will this just improve with time? I would think so, being that this is all a game of practice.

Thoughts?

 

[Sue Doenim]

Yep, that's normal. Stick with it and soon you'll be way faster. Same thing happened to me, and probably everyone who ever learned F2L.

 

[FrankieD]

Coolio! If you don't mind me asking, how long did it take for you to start seeing improvement?

 

[Spencer131]

Coolio! If you don't mind me asking, how long did it take for you to start seeing improvement?

Improvement happens at a different rate for everyone. Improvement is erratic, unpredictable, and usually happens in short bursts.

 

[Duncan Bannon]

For me about a few weeks. But stick with it, learn 4 look last layer, not full OLL and PLL, unless you want to.

 

[LandonD2006]

i just wanted to know how fast can u get with intuitive f2l