[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[mDiPalma]

Tips for intuitively orienting corners while inserting the last f2l pare so i can use cpeoll?

There's no easy intuitive way. Use Winter Variation.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Can someone make an oh version of this?

 

[kunparekh18]

Can someone make an oh version of this?

Oh version is pretty much the same, just Phil Yu's 3 videos should be referenced, along with some alg lists and alg execution videos. I could make a list of all the useful links and send it to you today evening if you want to. I'm not that fast at OH, I average barely sub-30.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Oh version is pretty much the same, just Phil Yu's 3 videos should be referenced, along with some alg lists and alg execution videos. I could make a list of all the useful links and send it to you today evening if you want to. I'm not that fast at OH, I average barely sub-30.

Yeah. I avg a little over like 33-35. I would like to see that list.

 

[kunparekh18]

So, I had time to do this. Enjoy. At least searching for the links motivated me to learn something from them :/

Beginner's video (where everyone should start with)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj0yG4vK1hM
asmallkitten

Turning style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_sHejYBzHU
asmallkitten

OH exercises

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5O7Ac5dFes
asmallkitten

Algorithm Lists

PLL

http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/Special:AlgDB?mode=view&view=default&puzzle=3&group=PLL
Speedsolving Wiki, here you can find awesome algs for both OH as well as 2H

http://cubewhiz.com/ohpll.php
Bob Burton

http://www.speedcubing101.com/oh-pll.html
Anthony Brooks

https://sites.google.com/site/antoineccantin/oh/pll
Antoine Cantin

http://boca.bee.pl/cat.php?l=en&cat=th&m=fridrich&ch=pll
BOCA Database, for both OH and 2H

OLL

http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/Special:AlgDB?mode=view&view=default&puzzle=3&group=OLL
Speedsolving Wiki, here you can find awesome algs for both OH and 2H

http://www.cubewhiz.com/oholl.php
Bob Burton

https://sites.google.com/site/antoineccantin/oh/oll_2look
2 Look, Antoine Cantin

https://sites.google.com/site/antoineccantin/oh/oll_full
1 Look, Antoine Cantin

http://boca.bee.pl/cat.php?l=en&cat=th&m=fridrich&ch=oll
BOCA Database, both OH and 2H

Loftus' Site (too lazy to post individual links) http://loftycuber.webs.com
Has OH OLL, PLL and COLL + Videos

Will add COLL and videos this evening. People are free to add to this list

 

[BluShehn]

CFOP Tips/Tricks?

Hello speedsolving.com! This is my first post, and I need some input from the community. I have some questions about how to get faster at Fridrich on the 3x3. I know that there are already quite some threads about it, but I would like some direct answers.


1. Is it really worth it to learn 1-look PLL/1-look OLL?
2. What are some tricks (besides look-ahead) I can do to increase my times with F2L?
3. Is it possible to get a sub-20 avg. with 4LLL? If I could, how should I go about it?
4. I know half of all the PLL cases, should I continue to learn them all?
5. I want to learn extended cross, how should I go about it? What exactly is extended cross and how do I utilize it in my solves?
6. What are some finger tricks that I might possibly not know of that could benefit my solves?
7. I have trouble being fast at the cross, how can I get better at the cross?

Just some basic tips. I currently avg. around 30 seconds on the 3x3, and I have a competition in a month. My best solve is about 25 seconds and I want to get at LEAST a sub-20 avg. by the time it comes.

I currently solve the cube with F2L, 2-look OLL and partially 1-look PLL. Thank you for any feedback.

 

[~Adam~]

For cross it should never take more than 8 moves to solve unless you have seen a particularly finger trick friendly solution.
Work out your cross then practice executing it blind that way you can track F2L pieces.

Extended cross at your level will probably not come up too often.
When you get really easy cross cases try to track an F2L pair in your mind and see if it can be inserted easily during the cross. For now though just being able to track a pair of pieces to be quickly inserted when you finish your cross should cut some time off your solves.

Yes, sub 20 is achievable with 4LLL but you should just get on and learn OLL and PLL ASAP.

There are lots of F2L tricks.
The Westonian has some more basic videos on his channel and there are videos for more complicated cases that can be found with a simple search.
You could pin point the most awkward cases for you then search the wiki for good solutions.

Sub 20 average may not be achievable in a month but if you have a lot of time to practice then maybe.
I suggest learning as many algs as you can cope with in the next 2-3 weeks then stop learning new algs about a week before the comp and just practice hard.

 

[solvelecewbe]

1. Yes, learn full OLL once you are sub-20.
2. Learn algs for the awkward cases.
3. Yes, really good F2L; you need great look-a-head for this one.
4. Yes.
5. Extended cross (X-cross) is when you solve the cross with one F2L pair already placed. Only use it when there is an easy case, or you may lose time using X-cross. If you want to learn, just practice block building.
6. Cut down on rotations. Adapt the sexy move. For any 180 degree turn, double flick, don't flick once, pull your finger back, then flick again.
7. Practice blind cross. Look at the 4 cross edges, close your eyes, then solve it.

Hope this helps

 

[applemobile]

Practice for all.

 

[ben1996123]

1. sure
2. if you want to increase your time for f2l, turn faster and dont look ahead
3. yes, you should do it by solving a cube in less than 20 seconds with 4lll
4. if you want to
5. you want to learn it but you dont know what it is? google it
6. google it
7. practise

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Practice and search for all.

 

[maxcube]

1. PLL is a definite speed boost, OLL not as much, but it will still help you. (I'm around 17 average and I only know half of my OLLs)
2. Try practicing without a timer, going slow as to think about exactly what you are doing. I find that sometimes I'll blindly slot f2p pairs in ways that are very inefficient, and this should help you cut down on that.
3. Yes, but you really should learn your OLLs and PLLs (lol, I'm one to talk >.<)
4. Yes.


7. Like #2, I suggest practicing by going slow while actually thinking about what you are doing. One important thing to know is your color scheme, it REALLY helps. I really want to try to explain more but I can't find the right words.

 

[CubezUBR]

I have a competition in a month. My best solve is about 25 seconds and I want to get at LEAST a sub-20 avg. by the time it comes.

if you are a 30 average you cant get sub 20 in a month. you can get a sub 30-28 average at best unless you make sudden improvements over night

 

[ben1996123]

if you are a 30 average you cant get sub 20 in a month. you can get a sub 30-28 average at best unless you make sudden improvements over night

of course you can, people have gone from noncuber to sub 20 in less than 2 months

 

[Ninja Storm]

unless you make sudden improvements over night

Which is actually very achievable. I hit sub18 overnight from averaging high19-20. It was just magical.

 

[uvafan]

Which is actually very achievable. I hit sub18 overnight from averaging high19-20. It was just magical.

I went to bed barely sub15 and woke up sub14 a while ago, no joke. I went to bed averaging 22 seconds OH two days ago and woke up yesterday and got a 20.80 avg100. Sudden breakthroughs do happen, I can vouch for that as well.

 

[jayefbe]

While those examples of jumps seemed to happen overnight (I've experienced the same thing multiple times), the jumps are due to the hours, days, and possibly weeks of practice that preceded the jump. You still need to put in the time.

As for the 30sec average cuber that wants a sub-20 official average in a month, I'd wager a good amount it's not gonna happen. Your best solve is 25, which is on the slow side for a 30s average solver. Plus, it's not uncommon to do worse to much worse at comps. You don't mention how long you've been cubing, so it's difficult to judge what your progression is like, but cubers that drop from a home 30s average to an official sub-20 average in a month are pretty rare. I haven't seen anyone advance nearly that quickly on speedsolving. Just focus on having fun and trying to improve.

 

[pipkiksass]

While those examples of jumps seemed to happen overnight (I've experienced the same thing multiple times), the jumps are due to the hours, days, and possibly weeks of practice that preceded the jump. You still need to put in the time.

As for the 30sec average cuber that wants a sub-20 official average in a month, I'd wager a good amount it's not gonna happen. Your best solve is 25, which is on the slow side for a 30s average solver. Plus, it's not uncommon to do worse to much worse at comps. You don't mention how long you've been cubing, so it's difficult to judge what your progression is like, but cubers that drop from a home 30s average to an official sub-20 average in a month are pretty rare. I haven't seen anyone advance nearly that quickly on speedsolving. Just focus on having fun and trying to improve.

Agreed, when I averaged 30s my best solve was 17-18.

Also, here's the best bit of advice I can ever give - Looking ahead is NOT the same thing as spotting the next pair as quickly as possible!!! This has only just dawned on me, after 7 months of cubing. What I've been doing is gradually getting faster at spotting the next F2L pair, until occasionally I spot the next pair lightning fast, get a fluid F2L by chance, and get a 14/15/16 second solve, but my average is still 23/24.

For the last few days I've been making a conscious effort to look ahead. Today I didn't have time for a big average, but did an Ao12 which was .07 off my lifetime best, and the best Ao5 was my 2nd best Ao5 ever (20.01). My problem has always been my inability to slow down, but you really do need to go slower in order to go faster.

I never 'understood' lookahead, I always thought what I was doing WAS looking ahead, but really it was just 'looking' if anything!

 

[PoHos1]

WHAT about sub10 part ? do you think that somone can write it ?

 

[PCwizCube]

WHAT about sub10 part ? do you think that somone can write it ?

Someone else would have to volunteer to write it since I'm not sub 10. Sounds like a good idea though.