[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[TheNextFeliks]

Is that ideal based on my spreadsheet as linked in my sig? If you havent seen it you may find it helpful, the whole point is to answer the question, "what should I focus on most?" in a systematic way.

Yeah I looked at your systematic idea for the ideal. Made a spreadsheet like yours. Love the idea.

 

[CUBENERD101]

Did my average of 5 for each what should i improve on tips and tricks please
Cross: 2.78
F2L: 7.26
LL: 6.55
Oll: 2.11
Pll: 2.53

Total: 16,59

Average of 5 16.04

 

[TDM]

When I first found this guide, I was already at the end of step one for timings. I have started moving on to step two, looking for an average time of below 50s. Before, I could do the cube in an average of about 1:15. Now, using the 4LLL method, I'm averaging... 1:10, if I'm lucky. I've memorised every 2LOLL algorithm, but not all of the 2LPLL algs: I can do all four edge permutations, but when it comes to the corner orientation I am only half way through learning the Y one (I can permute the corners easily enough if the two I need two swap are adjacent). I have been practicing using just the A alg for corners for a while now, and can do that fairly quickly (for me). However, I do not think that I'll get another 20 seconds off my time by learning the Y alg. Here are some averages I timed:
Cross: 7.75
F2L: 32.11
OLL: 8.40
PLL: 14.68
Average including thinking time: 1:18.50, but I'm improving this slowly as this includes all my old times that are 1:20+.
Now I know my first two layers need massive improvement, but I haven't got to step 3 (intuitive F2L) yet; I work by doing three first layer corners after the cross, then using the hole to easily place the second-layer edges quickly. I don't see how to improve my time further by doing what's mentioned in the first two steps. So, any suggestions on how I should improve on my F2L without moving on to the next step? Or should I just skip ahead, as I'll be going on to that next?

 

[PCwizCube]

When I first found this guide, I was already at the end of step one for timings. I have started moving on to step two, looking for an average time of below 50s. Before, I could do the cube in an average of about 1:15. Now, using the 4LLL method, I'm averaging... 1:10, if I'm lucky. I've memorised every 2LOLL algorithm, but not all of the 2LPLL algs: I can do all four edge permutations, but when it comes to the corner orientation I am only half way through learning the Y one (I can permute the corners easily enough if the two I need two swap are adjacent). I have been practicing using just the A alg for corners for a while now, and can do that fairly quickly (for me). However, I do not think that I'll get another 20 seconds off my time by learning the Y alg. Here are some averages I timed:
Cross: 7.75
F2L: 32.11
OLL: 8.40
PLL: 14.68
Average including thinking time: 1:18.50, but I'm improving this slowly as this includes all my old times that are 1:20+.
Now I know my first two layers need massive improvement, but I haven't got to step 3 (intuitive F2L) yet; I work by doing three first layer corners after the cross, then using the hole to easily place the second-layer edges quickly. I don't see how to improve my time further by doing what's mentioned in the first two steps. So, any suggestions on how I should improve on my F2L without moving on to the next step? Or should I just skip ahead, as I'll be going on to that next?

The method you solve the F2L is called "Keyhole F2L." If you want to keep using that, there's not much I can say other than practice more. If you show a video of you solving, I could give you more specific advice. And yes, you can switch to intuitive F2L whenever you want, although at your speed, I would improve on other things first.

I would work on PLL. Definitely finish learning 2-look PLL, and try to get your entire last layer under 15 seconds. With 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL, that shouldn't be that hard with just finish learning the algorithms and practicing a lot.

 

[KongShou]

On a normal solve I usually finish F2L around 10 seconds or so, but my LL takes almost 14 seconds. Is this normal? Any help is appreciated thanks

WTF im sub 17 but my f2l + cross is 12s? no its not normal.

 

[MWilson]

So, any suggestions on how I should improve on my F2L without moving on to the next step? Or should I just skip ahead, as I'll be going on to that next?

Steps like these are just a guideline. Move on to whatever you want when you feel you're ready to.

 

[kunparekh18]

Didn't end up taking a week off haha

Goal for Previous Week (Feb 23 - Feb 28): Be thorough with F2L, solve cross BLD, learn advanced cross techniques, advanced fingertricks, practice insertions from all angles more, make F2L technique better, probably perfect empty slotting (which was natural to me, I started using it in my solves before I knew it ). I doubt I can do this much in just 1 week, though.

Goal Achieved

Average: 33 seconds

Net Time Saved: -2 Weeks

Will Move on to Full PLL this week

Goal for March 1-8: Learn Full PLL, maybe perfect F2L, learn new techniques

Previous Goal: (above)

Goal Partially Accomplished

PLLs I know : Ua|Ub|Z|H|Aa|Ab|Y (from 4LLL), T|Jb|E (new ones learnt) --- 10/21

F2L is pretty good, have got a sub-30 avg5 on cam!

Goal for next Week (March 9 - 16): Get sub-30 consistently

Net Time Saved: -2 Weeks

 

[Username]

Previous Goal: (above)

Goal Partially Accomplished

PLLs I know : Ua|Ub|Z|H|Aa|Ab|Y (from 4LLL), T|Jb|E (new ones learnt) --- 10/21

F2L almost perfected, have got a sub-30 avg5 on cam!

Goal for next Week (March 9 - 16): Get sub-30 consistently

Net Time Saved: -2 Weeks

F2L is never perfected Sub 30 consistently won't be hard for you, i think

 

[kunparekh18]

F2L is never perfected Sub 30 consistently won't be hard for you, i think

Almost perfected from my goal's point of view haha mistake there. Thanks, I need to practice a lot, especially slow solves. Do you think I should start working on lookahead?

 

[Ramo]

Getting Lower from 15-16 seconds

I average around 15-16 seconds and want to know what kinds of things I should be improving in order to get consistent sub-15 averages. 14 seconds are now common for me. What are some exercises I should be doing in order to improve? If it helps, I use intuitive F2L.

 

[KongShou]

this is exactly the situation im in and i need help too!

 

[Renslay]

Me too. But I'm pretty much sure what the flaws are in my solves, therefore, I need to work on them.

 

[KongShou]

i think it cross + first F2L during inspection and general look ahead for me. need to work on them.

 

[uvafan]

sub15 is easy, sub12 is hard. But srsly, figure out what you need to improve on and practice that. It's an individual thing, each person has their own weaknesses.

 

[PCwizCube]

Almost perfected from my goal's point of view haha mistake there. Thanks, I need to practice a lot, especially slow solves. Do you think I should start working on lookahead?

Yes. Learning looking ahead helped me get past the 30 second barrier And looking ahead is crucial for improving in general (it applies even at sub 10).

For the other people who posted on trying to find out what to practice on to get faster, I agree with uvafan that you should try to find out your own weaknesses. You should try taking videos of your solves and compare yourself to people who are faster than you. If you still need help pinpointing your weaknesses, you can always put up some videos on here so people can help you out. Otherwise it's really hard to tell you what you need to work on if we don't know how your solves or like.

 

[kunparekh18]

Yes. Learning looking ahead helped me get past the 30 second barrier And looking ahead is crucial for improving in general (it applies even at sub 10).

For the other people who posted on trying to find out what to practice on to get faster, I agree with uvafan that you should try to find out your own weaknesses. You should try taking videos of your solves and compare yourself to people who are faster than you. If you still need help pinpointing your weaknesses, you can always put up some videos on here so people can help you out. Otherwise it's really hard to tell you what you need to work on if we don't know how your solves or like.

Thanks!

 

[TheNextFeliks]

I avg about 25. I know I need to work on cross and f2l. They are about 17 and ll is about 8. How can I improve these two? I primarily need to work on cross cause I avg like 4.58 on cross and like 12.65 on rest of f2l.

 

[mDiPalma]

yo, how can i recognize pairs without [RUL] oriented edges?

 

[PCwizCube]

I avg about 25. I know I need to work on cross and f2l. They are about 17 and ll is about 8. How can I improve these two? I primarily need to work on cross cause I avg like 4.58 on cross and like 12.65 on rest of f2l.

I looked at your video of your 27.42 CFOP solve. I'll base my critique on that solve.

It seems like you're pretty decent at looking ahead during F2L, since you didn't have too many huge pauses. Your cross and F2L seems like it takes a lot of moves though. Try to learn some F2L algorithms for specific cases to find efficient ways to solve the cases. You could also learn F2L tricks from watching people's F2L tutorials. Badmephisto and theWestonian have good cross and F2L tutorials on YouTube. CFOP users should be able to complete cross + F2L in less than 35 moves. If you can do that, I think your cross + F2L time will drop drastically.

Of course, you could always improve the last layer by learning more algorithms. Hope that helps!

yo, how can i recognize pairs without [RUL] oriented edges?

What do you mean by that?

 

[aznanimedude]

you can do that? i don't even know how to beside rotating the cube QQ