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PCwizCube
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Example solves? Oh dear.. haha. But yeah, I guess I could do that - it'd probably be pretty helpful.Thanks! I'm looking forward to you updating the first post with some information. I hope it's something I haven't missed. Examples?
I'm not the best person to ask since I average 13ish, but here's what I think can be helpful:
If you haven't already, try recognizing your PLLs in 1-look. As in, be able to look at any 2 sides of the cube and immediately know what PLL case you have. This way, you don't have to AUF at all for recognition purposes.
Look at the reconstructions of solves of fast people like Feliks Zemdegs. Brest has made reconstructions of Felik's averages of 12, and the reconstructions are quite interesting to study (he's really creative and his movecount is low).
Also if you haven't already, learn all your OLLs and PLLs. I'm only saying this because I still have 25ish OLLs to go XD
Isaac Paurus
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i've been averaging sub 30, about 25-28, and i know full PLL, and 2look OLL and a few other OLL's. for cross, i average about 3-5 seconds, f2l about 15-18 seconds, sometimes less, and my OLL's and PLL's take around 2-3 seconds to execute, and about 0.5-1 second to recognize. i'll post a video of a solve sometime soon, but looking at my times, what should i work on the most? should i start learning full OLL?
PCwizCube
Premium Member
It sounds like your F2L could use some work. In general, I'd recommend learning some F2L algorithms for the nasty cases and working on looking ahead. I can give you more specific advice if you post a video. And of course, you could start learning full OLL if you want to. I just hate learning algs so I haven't finished learning the OLLs yet
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TheNextFeliks
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I avg 30. I want to get fully sub-30. My ll is usually 8 so not bad. I think cross-f2l is about 5-17. Which should I work on more to get faster.
speedpicker
Regular
Use the solve analyser linked in my sig to figure out precisely your strengths and weaknesses along with the advice you will find there, but I would suggest that f2l is a bit long, and your cross needs work. As a general rule for the future, if you don't know what to practice, practice F2L. Time working on F2L is never wasted.
Here are some nice achievable targets:
Breaking down an "idealised" 30 second solve:
cross = 3.6 seconds
Cross + 1 = 7.35 seconds
Full F2L (inc cross) = 18.6 seconds
Avg individual pair identification and insertion time = 3.75 seconds
OLL = 4.95 seconds (1.95 AUF/identification, 3 seconds execution)
PLL = 6.45 seconds (1.95 AUF/identification, 4.5 second execution)
Overall last layer = 11.4 seconds
Total = 30 seconds
Here are some nice achievable targets:
Breaking down an "idealised" 30 second solve:
cross = 3.6 seconds
Cross + 1 = 7.35 seconds
Full F2L (inc cross) = 18.6 seconds
Avg individual pair identification and insertion time = 3.75 seconds
OLL = 4.95 seconds (1.95 AUF/identification, 3 seconds execution)
PLL = 6.45 seconds (1.95 AUF/identification, 4.5 second execution)
Overall last layer = 11.4 seconds
Total = 30 seconds
TheNextFeliks
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Ok. I used your thread differently. I figured that I would go for 25 sec.
The idealized would be:
Cross:3*
F2L inc cross:15.5*
LL:9.5
I am going to try to lower the two starred.
speedpicker
Regular
Sounds like a plan! Continuous small successes in achievable, measurable targets is definitely the way to go.
The splits I gave were to show you which areas to work on. At the moment your LL is outpacing your F2L/cross. If you bring yout f2l/cross down, then analyse again you will get the splits for 27 seconds (or whatever). You can then see when your cross/f2l "catches up" with your last layer, which is when you start working on last layer stuff (for example). Or you could just work on everything all the time. Just as long as you are specifically working on something and not just mindlessly solving and wonderign why you have plateaued.
Make sure you track your progress, its a great motivator for those times when you are feeling like no matter what you do you can't improve. Just check back and realise, "actually I'm 3 seconds faster than I was before Xmas". Prisma puzzle timer is great for this, since it keeps records. Alternatively, do a full solve analysis once a month/fortnight, save it to a folder with a date in the title and look back at old ones to see progression. However you do it, keeping track of progress is a good idea.
The splits I gave were to show you which areas to work on. At the moment your LL is outpacing your F2L/cross. If you bring yout f2l/cross down, then analyse again you will get the splits for 27 seconds (or whatever). You can then see when your cross/f2l "catches up" with your last layer, which is when you start working on last layer stuff (for example). Or you could just work on everything all the time. Just as long as you are specifically working on something and not just mindlessly solving and wonderign why you have plateaued.
Make sure you track your progress, its a great motivator for those times when you are feeling like no matter what you do you can't improve. Just check back and realise, "actually I'm 3 seconds faster than I was before Xmas". Prisma puzzle timer is great for this, since it keeps records. Alternatively, do a full solve analysis once a month/fortnight, save it to a folder with a date in the title and look back at old ones to see progression. However you do it, keeping track of progress is a good idea.
Just wanted to add...
Cross: <5
F2L: <16
OLL: 4-3
PLL: 4-3
So in the best of the cases:
Cross: 1 (happened)
F2L: 5 (also happened)
OLL: 1 or Skip (ALSO happened)
PLL: 1 or Skip (AND ALSO HAPPENED)
All happened, but in different solves.
My PERFECT solve is 6 seconds (never happened)
With Cross: 1 and F2l: 5
Just wanted to say
Cross: <5
F2L: <16
OLL: 4-3
PLL: 4-3
So in the best of the cases:
Cross: 1 (happened)
F2L: 5 (also happened)
OLL: 1 or Skip (ALSO happened)
PLL: 1 or Skip (AND ALSO HAPPENED)
All happened, but in different solves.
My PERFECT solve is 6 seconds (never happened)
With Cross: 1 and F2l: 5
Just wanted to say
kunparekh18
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Step 3: Post Completion
Goal: Practice Intuitive F2L
Goal Achieved: I can now do insertions from multiple angles
Feb 15 - Feb 22, 2013
Average - 37-38s
Net Time Saved: -1 Week
Will be taking a week off this schedule due to final exam preparation (boards)
Next Week Goal (March 1-8): Be thorough with F2L, solve cross BLD, learn advanced cross techniques, advanced fingertricks, practice insertions from all angles more, make F2L technique better, probably perfect empty slotting (which was natural to me, I started using it in my solves before I knew it
). I doubt I can do this much in just 1 week, though.Tips for achieving my goal are highly appreciated. I just want to be thorough in my technique before moving on to full PLL. Also, I plan on making my net time saved positive during PLL xD
IQubic
Regular
Okey thank you all for shuch support, but i want to learn to solve BLD.
Ethaminx13
Member
Am I doing well?
On a normal solve I usually finish F2L around 10 seconds or so, but my LL takes almost 14 seconds. Is this normal? Any help is appreciated thanks
On a normal solve I usually finish F2L around 10 seconds or so, but my LL takes almost 14 seconds. Is this normal? Any help is appreciated thanks
Noahaha
blindmod
Learn PLL and then OLL and then you'll be sub-15. 14 second LL is horrible compared to 10 second F2L which is pretty good. I'd say you're doing great and you just need to work on LL.
googlebleh
Veteran
Seconded. Just out of curiosity, what LL method are you using and where did you learn to solve?
kunparekh18
Veteran
Step 3: Post Completion
Goal: Practice Intuitive F2L
Goal Achieved: I can now do insertions from multiple angles
Feb 15 - Feb 22, 2013
Average - 37-38s
Net Time Saved: -1 Week
Will be taking a week off this schedule due to final exam preparation (boards)
Next Week Goal (March 1-8): Be thorough with F2L, solve cross BLD, learn advanced cross techniques, advanced fingertricks, practice insertions from all angles more, make F2L technique better, probably perfect empty slotting (which was natural to me, I started using it in my solves before I knew it
Tips for achieving my goal are highly appreciated. I just want to be thorough in my technique before moving on to full PLL. Also, I plan on making my net time saved positive during PLL xD
Didn't end up taking a week off haha
Goal for Previous Week (Feb 23 - Feb 28): Be thorough with F2L, solve cross BLD, learn advanced cross techniques, advanced fingertricks, practice insertions from all angles more, make F2L technique better, probably perfect empty slotting (which was natural to me, I started using it in my solves before I knew it
). I doubt I can do this much in just 1 week, though.Goal Achieved
Average: 33 seconds
Net Time Saved: -2 Weeks
Will Move on to Full PLL this week
Goal for March 1-8: Learn Full PLL, maybe perfect F2L, learn new techniques
TheNextFeliks
Veteran
Did a mo5 splits:
Cross 4.82
F2L 16.12
OLL 3.72
PLL 4.94
Total: 29.60 (kinda slow)
Which should I focus on most?
Did ao5 of for plls. All sub-3.5. E and N's were like 3.2 or 3.3. Improved a lot from two months ago, last time I recorded all.
I think the mean of the avg was 2.61.
Cross 4.82
F2L 16.12
OLL 3.72
PLL 4.94
Total: 29.60 (kinda slow)
Which should I focus on most?
Did ao5 of for plls. All sub-3.5. E and N's were like 3.2 or 3.3. Improved a lot from two months ago, last time I recorded all.
I think the mean of the avg was 2.61.
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kunparekh18
Veteran
What do you usually average?
TheNextFeliks
Veteran
I average about 27-28.
TheNextFeliks
Veteran
Whoa 25.25 ao12.
Step: Actual vs. Ideal
Cross: 4.58 v 3.00
F2L (w/o cross): 12.65 v 12.50
OLL: 4.05 v 4.13
PLL: 3.97 v 5.38
LL better than ideal. Cross is major focus.
Step: Actual vs. Ideal
Cross: 4.58 v 3.00
F2L (w/o cross): 12.65 v 12.50
OLL: 4.05 v 4.13
PLL: 3.97 v 5.38
LL better than ideal. Cross is major focus.
speedpicker
Regular
Is that ideal based on my spreadsheet as linked in my sig? If you havent seen it you may find it helpful, the whole point is to answer the question, "what should I focus on most?" in a systematic way.
