[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[greentgoatgal]

So, I’m a cuber who used to average high 13’s-low 14’s on 3x3 but after taking a long break(It’s approaching the 1-year mark. 1 and a half months and my break would have been for a whole year. I’ve been doing solves recently trying to get back into it. But I’ve run into a couple problems.

1) My lookahead is not the same as it used to be. I pause a lot more frequently.
2)I’ve forgotten most of my algs.(I used to have full oll and pll memorized but now I’m subsisting on muscle memory for oll. I’ve still got PLL memorized though) I’ve had several occasions where I either did an alg I used to know wrong, or just couldn’t even do the alg and ended up relying on beginner’s method to finish the solve.

As a result my average has dropped to the high 18’s. My problem is especially bad in OH. I went from sub 25 to sub 50. I’ve forgotten my OH alg’s and I can’t use 2H algs either because I’m only able to use them because of muscle memory so when I try to actually recall them I just draw blanks. So, I’m left to using beginner’s method. My speed in OH relied heavily on the algs I used/knew and now that that’s gone my speed has dramatically dropped.


Any advice on how I can recover from this as fast as possible and get back to my original times.

Go to alg db and try to find your all algs. If you're able to find the ones you knew, it will be easier to relearn them than to try to learn new algs.

 

[Mr.Roux86]

So, I’m a cuber who used to average high 13’s-low 14’s on 3x3 but after taking a long break(It’s approaching the 1-year mark. 1 and a half months and my break would have been for a whole year. I’ve been doing solves recently trying to get back into it. But I’ve run into a couple problems.

1) My lookahead is not the same as it used to be. I pause a lot more frequently.
2)I’ve forgotten most of my algs.(I used to have full oll and pll memorized but now I’m subsisting on muscle memory for oll. I’ve still got PLL memorized though) I’ve had several occasions where I either did an alg I used to know wrong, or just couldn’t even do the alg and ended up relying on beginner’s method to finish the solve.

As a result my average has dropped to the high 18’s. My problem is especially bad in OH. I went from sub 25 to sub 50. I’ve forgotten my OH alg’s and I can’t use 2H algs either because I’m only able to use them because of muscle memory so when I try to actually recall them I just draw blanks. So, I’m left to using beginner’s method. My speed in OH relied heavily on the algs I used/knew and now that that’s gone my speed has dramatically dropped.


Any advice on how I can recover from this as fast as possible and get back to my original times.

Now is the prime to switch to Roux, my friend...

 

[Kevin S]

OK, another question. When I just learn an algorithm, and I haven't even memorized it, and lets assume I have it on a paper next to me. Should I time myself when I need to reference? I promise you I'm learning F2L as you have told me; this is just for the future!

 

[Sue Doenim]

Any advice on how I can recover from this as fast as possible and get back to my original times.

Now is the prime to switch to Roux, my friend...

All joking aside, if you never did try out other methods, now is the time. I'd recommend you try out both Roux and ZZ before you recommit to CFOP.

 

[CarterK]

OK, another question. When I just learn an algorithm, and I haven't even memorized it, and lets assume I have it on a paper next to me. Should I time myself when I need to reference? I promise you I'm learning F2L as you have told me; this is just for the future!

Don't time the alg unless you are trying to decide between 2 algs.

 

[Kevin S]

Don't time the alg unless you are trying to decide between 2 algs.

What do you mean? I'm sorry, but I am such a noob.

 

[CarterK]

What do you mean? I'm sorry, but I am such a noob.

I worded that terribly.

Don't worry about timing your algs. Just have it in your muscle memory and don't worry about speed - that will come over time.

 

[Kevin S]

I worded that terribly.

Don't worry about timing your algs. Just have it in your muscle memory and don't worry about speed - that will come over time.

OK! I'm assuming that the same is for F2L?

 

[freshghetto]

Hey, I'm the new guy here. I'm using F2l, and still learning algs for Oll/Pll. My fastest time is 28 seconds, and I average around 40 seconds usually. I had read that a way to get faster is to practice a scramble, but going purposely slow. When I do this, I feel like my times should be much longer, but they are really only about 5 or 10 seconds above my usual times. Is this normal?

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Hey, I'm the new guy here. I'm using F2l, and still learning algs for Oll/Pll. My fastest time is 28 seconds, and I average around 40 seconds usually. I had read that a way to get faster is to practice a scramble, but going purposely slow. When I do this, I feel like my times should be much longer, but they are really only about 5 or 10 seconds above my usual times. Is this normal?

The point of slow solves is to practice looking ahead. So never stop turning because you are constantly looking into the next stage. I would recommend learning 2 look OLL and either full PLL or 2 look PLL. F2l is for sure the most important part of a solve. Also try new methods unless you like CFOP.

 

[greentgoatgal]

Hi guys, looking for pointers/tips on what to work on next.

Some facts about my current solves:
- I currently average about 12.5 seconds
- my cube is a Valk 3 M
- I know full OLL and PLL
- I know intuitive F2L and a lot of algs for trickier cases
- I can plan the whole cross and sometimes a bit of F2L during inspection
- my splits (from a 12.77 session) are 1.78, 6.60, 2.07, and 2.31
- all my crosses are less than 8 moves
- I only solve cross on white

I can film some solves if needed

 

[CarterK]

Hi guys, looking for pointers/tips on what to work on next.

Some facts about my current solves:
- I currently average about 12.5 seconds
- my cube is a Valk 3 M
- I know full OLL and PLL
- I know intuitive F2L and a lot of algs for trickier cases
- I can plan the whole cross and sometimes a bit of F2L during inspection
- my splits (from a 12.77 session) are 1.78, 6.60, 2.07, and 2.31
- all my crosses are less than 8 moves
- I only solve cross on white

I can film some solves if needed

There are 2 ideas that I can thing of:

1. Inefficient F2L. Most cases can be done in 2 triggers
2. Pauses. Make sure you aren't pausing at all during F2L, no matter how slow you have to turn.

 

[Kameron]

I use cfop and wish to be sub 15, any tips. Thanks.

 

[cubeshepherd]

I use cfop and wish to be sub 15, any tips. Thanks.

One of the biggest thing to keep in mind is to have efficient F2L layers and and make sure that you do intuitive F2L. There are a few F2L cases that I have memorized a alg for but for the most part intuitive is the best way. Also, make sure that your solves are fluent without any pauses (meaning do a lot of slow untimed solves, even if it makes you 1-2 seconds slower for a few weeks). If you can have consistent pause-less solves it really help you in the long run.
Lastly make sure that you know full PLL and over a few weeks/months I would recommend that you learn full OLL, if you do not yet know it, but keep in mind that when learning algs, find the best one for each particular case, so that you do not have to go back and relearn a better alg, (like I have done ).

Please ask additional questions if you still have any.

 

[Zaksox]

Alternatives to normal cfop algs to speed you up:
I find that if you learn an algorithm, then you know the flip version of that alg. What is your idea?

 

[h2f]

I cant see connection to the title of the thread.

 

[Zaksox]

I made a different thread, but they moved it here

 

[QuinnD2006]

Hey there, I have been speed cubing for the past few months and got my sister into it not to long ago, she currently does daisy cross beggieners method and one alg PLL. She learned the 2x2 first and averages like 20-30 seconds and she is learning ortego OLL. How should i help her get faster?

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Hey there, I have been speed cubing for the past few months and got my sister into it not to long ago, she currently does daisy cross beggieners method and one alg PLL. She learned the 2x2 first and averages like 20-30 seconds and she is learning ortego OLL. How should i help her get faster?

On 2x2 or 3x3? Both? What do you average and what method?

 

[QuinnD2006]

On 2x2 or 3x3? Both? What do you average and what method?

I am talking about my sister she averages around 2 minutes for 3x3 and 20-30 seconds for 2x2