[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[Seanliu]

omg i googled xs and os method for those who don't know it's just corners first, but i didn't check out the actual steps. the guy in the video is so uninformed it's funny.

you're already quite a way into fridrich (CFOP is what most people call it), so i suggest continuing. you could also check out the ZZ method.
you can learn some F2L algs but try to conceptualize it and do it intuitively.

you've done a good job identifying your weaknesses, i dont think we can help you on turning technique that much. just practice it. flicking a cube with your fingers in all sorts of ways isn't a natural human movement so just keep at it and it'll feel okay.

Hmmph.

 

[mpcuber1]

Me too. I have recently discovered

"Lookahead"

lol no lookahead just spamming TPS got me to 22 sec allele

I've heard a lot of people say slow down and look ahead but I too have really discovered the power behind those mere words.

 

[dannah]

surely you do not need to learn full pll or oll before you get sub 20 average, you can get to sub-30 without even 2 look OLL, but if you use CFOP then learn 2 look OLL and PLL

 

[ketchuphater999]

surely you do not need to learn full pll or oll before you get sub 20 average, you can get to sub-30 without even 2 look OLL, but if you use CFOP then learn 2 look OLL and PLL

I would think it would be very hard to get sub-20 without full PLL. I speak from experience, I couldn't even get sub-25 without full PLL.

 

[Cuspeed55]

How can I get a Sub-30 Average?

Right now I'm a Mid-30s solver without F2l and 4LL, but when I use intuitive F2l, I Get mostly 50s. I've been cubing for 4 weeks now and have been stuck here for 2 weeks, How can I get better?

 

[ThatGuy]

Right now I'm a Mid-30s solver without F2l and 4LL, but when I use intuitive F2l, I Get mostly 50s. I've been cubing for 4 weeks now and have been stuck here for 2 weeks, How can I get better?

Just to confirm you aren't some edge case, is the increase in time because it takes longer for you to think about your moves? This is common when you aren't too familiar with F2L and it just takes practice. Don't always time yourself, sometimes it's helpful to chill and take your time getting familiar with the different cases. Slowly your fingers will remember what to do in each case and it becomes algorithm-like (which is developed from intuition). Also, if you feel like your a solving a case super inefficiently, it doesn't hurt to look up the algorithm, because there are clever insertions that are hard to get from intuition (for example case 23 here https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/First_Two_Layers).

 

[PJKCuber]

Right now I'm a Mid-30s solver without F2l and 4LL, but when I use intuitive F2l, I Get mostly 50s. I've been cubing for 4 weeks now and have been stuck here for 2 weeks, How can I get better?

Do a lot of F2L practice.

 

[AlphaSheep]

You're frustrated after being stuck for 2 weeks? It took me four months to get from mid 30s to sub 30... Some people take even longer.

Also, obviously you'll be slower after changing to a new technique. You're not used to it, and it requires more thinking. You just need to keep at it until you're used to all the cases, and the thinking becomes automatic. Only then will you see intuitive F2L being faster than using beginner algorithms.

 

[NeilH]

When I started F2L, I averaged about 55 seconds with Layer-by-layer, and with F2L I averaged about 3-4 minutes for the first week. Within a few weeks, I have now started to average sub-30. The best way to learn F2L is to just do it. As you do it more and more, the f2l will click and you'll start to recognize cases easily. It just takes time.

 

[Jasser]

I don't know what to do at this point.
I am currently a sub 35 solver with F2L and 4LLL. My splits are like 5-16-4-7. I know 12/21 PLLs atm but I think my main focus must be my cross since 5 sec cross is kinda bad. What should I focus on?

 

[Smiles]

I don't know what to do at this point.
I am currently a sub 35 solver with F2L and 4LLL. My splits are like 5-16-4-7. I know 12/21 PLLs atm but I think my main focus must be my cross since 5 sec cross is kinda bad. What should I focus on?

example solves for cross and keep learning PLLs.

 

[PJKCuber]

Ok, I haven't solved a 3x3 in 5 months and I average mid 15 to high 16. What is recommended? Learning OLL or just working on cross things(x-cross,transitions etc.)?

 

[Randomno]

Ok, I haven't solved a 3x3 in 5 months and I average mid 15 to high 16. What is recommended? Learning OLL or just working on cross things(x-cross,transitions etc.)?

How many OLLs do you know?

 

[PJKCuber]

How many OLLs do you know?

2 Look and 2-3 OLLs

 

[Randomno]

2 Look and 2-3 OLLs

Watch some videos on the free/easy one look OLLs.

 

[cashis]

How can I get better at cross? On a good solve my splits are like,
2-3 cross
4-5 f2l
1-2 oll
2-3 pll
I think thats a bad cross time, and its definitely where I think I could improve the most.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

How can I get better at cross? On a good solve my splits are like,
2-3 cross
4-5 f2l
1-2 oll
2-3 pll
I think thats a bad cross time, and its definitely where I think I could improve the most.

Why is oll faster than pll?

 

[Randomno]

Why is oll faster than pll?

Because the OLLs are shorter?

 

[cashis]

Why is oll faster than pll?

Average OLL length is ~8
Average PLL length is ~13

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

Because the OLLs are shorter?

Oh ok I usually used to ppl's splits with 2loll but 1lpll