[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[KyLilyCuber]

Mines 4.12+13.37+3.27+3.47=23.sth

 

[julian1807]

Need tips to get faster

Hi all, i average around 19 seconds and can get a few sub 15s every now and then but isn't very consistent. I use Dayan Zhanchi and the Fridrich method to solve my 3x3. I also know full OLL F2L and PLL. My times have been improving a lot since i started cubing 4 months ago (got down from 30s average to 19s). But now i'm just stuck on 19. I really want to drag my average down to 15s.. Can anyone offer some tips to help me with that? Thanks!

 

[NaeosPsy]

Lookahead during F2L, do slow solves, try to make your LL faster.
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?27870-How-to-practice

 

[What37]

I kinda need help

I use CFOP(intuitive f2l, 2-look oll and pl), but I seem to average 25, what should I do to get faster without learning 70 different algorithms for full fridrich?

 

[Username]

Practice F2L

E: And Alg Speed for the ones you know

 

[Hypocrism]

I use CFOP(intuitive f2l, 2-look oll and pl), but I seem to average 25, what should I do to get faster without learning 70 different algorithms for full fridrich?

Until you get your F2L down to 10 seconds, you don't need more algs. Slow metronome training starting from 60 BPM. Slow solves to find shortcuts and ways of preserving pairs. Cross efficiency and later on extended cross. Learn to use double layer turns in your cross solves (R u' R for flipping an in-place edge, for example).

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Mo25:
LL: 5.06
OLL: 2.24
PLL: 2.82
My f2l sucks.

 

[TDM]

Cross: 3.22, 4.69, 2.90, 2.12, 2.35, 2.53, 5.16, 3.23, 2.92, 2.35, 2.15, 6.12 (X-cross) = 3.31
F2L: 10.21, 9.48, 10.64, 7.20, 8.40, 11.56, 11.55, 12.35, 9.38, 11.59, 12.84, 7.58 = 10.23
OLL: 3.76, 1.89, 3.54, 4.00, 1.90, 2.36, 3.17, 5.48, 3.39, 2.42, 2.93, 1.87 = 3.06
PLL: 2.80, 3.80, 3.61, 3.32, 3.67, 5.61, 4.30, 5.36, 3.65, 4.26, 3.72, 5.79 = 4.16
Total: 19.99, 19.86, 20.69, 16.64, 16.32, 22.06, 24.18, 26.42, 19.34, 20.62, 21.64, 21.36 = 20.76

Which should I practise most?

 

[speedpicker]

Check my sig for a systematic way to work this out. I have uploaded an excel spreadsheet, just put in your numbers and it will let you know your weak points. The thread has pretty much every tip going for fixing these issues.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Cross: 3.22, 4.69, 2.90, 2.12, 2.35, 2.53, 5.16, 3.23, 2.92, 2.35, 2.15, 6.12 (X-cross) = 3.31
F2L: 10.21, 9.48, 10.64, 7.20, 8.40, 11.56, 11.55, 12.35, 9.38, 11.59, 12.84, 7.58 = 10.23
OLL: 3.76, 1.89, 3.54, 4.00, 1.90, 2.36, 3.17, 5.48, 3.39, 2.42, 2.93, 1.87 = 3.06
PLL: 2.80, 3.80, 3.61, 3.32, 3.67, 5.61, 4.30, 5.36, 3.65, 4.26, 3.72, 5.79 = 4.16
Total: 19.99, 19.86, 20.69, 16.64, 16.32, 22.06, 24.18, 26.42, 19.34, 20.62, 21.64, 21.36 = 20.76

Which should I practise most?

Cross and pll.

 

[TDM]

Check my sig for a systematic way to work this out. I have uploaded an excel spreadsheet, just put in your numbers and it will let you know your weak points. The thread has pretty much every tip going for fixing these issues.

Well the spreadsheet told me the only I'm good at is F2L (when I don't even try to look ahead) and says I need to improve on everything else. The thread is good though. The spreadsheet also has something about "F2L and 1st pair", which I'm guessing should be cross and first pair.

Cross and pll.

Thanks, this makes sense: two other things I don't do are BLD cross practice and 1-look G perms. I hate learning algs... but I guess this has to be done.

 

[Dapianokid]

I want to learn full OLL and full PLL, rather than Petrus 4LLL.
I use Petrus and Fridrich about evenly, but now it's time to pick up the pace and stop focusing on F2L. Help?

 

[TheNextFeliks]

16.38 mo12
Time: Optimal:
2.28 1.97
8.31 8.19
2.69 2.70 (lol)
3.11 3.52
Hmm. Cross is hard for me. F2L lookahead is improving.

Any tips?

 

[kcl]

16.38 mo12
Time: Optimal:
2.28 1.97
8.31 8.19
2.69 2.70 (lol)
3.11 3.52
Hmm. Cross is hard for me. F2L lookahead is improving.

Any tips?

Speed up your f2l by like 2 seconds. My cross hovers around 2 and I'm at sub 15. I usually have f2l done before 10, so that's probably where you want to work at.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Speed up your f2l by like 2 seconds. My cross hovers around 2 and I'm at sub 15. I usually have f2l done before 10, so that's probably where you want to work at.

Ok. Yeah I usually have it at 10.xx. Any tips to improve? I feel like my lookahead is getting good so I guess just practice it and turn a little faster. I have some solves on my channel that are about my current speed.

 

[kcl]

Ok. Yeah I usually have it at 10.xx. Any tips to improve? I feel like my lookahead is getting good so I guess just practice it and turn a little faster. I have some solves on my channel that are about my current speed.

Slow down the cross to find the first pair. Then slow down at the end of each pair to help find the next one. A couple weeks ago, I was solving and remembered the advice I always tell people, but I wasn't doing it myself. I tried what I tell people and got my PB. I need to quit solving absent mindedly..

 

[AjayRulz]

CFOP Help

hey guys,I am new here..

I avg around 16-19. I need some help to get sub 15....
splits:
cross + F2l - 9-11 sec
Oll - 2-3 sec
Pll - 3-4 sec
Should I improve on f2l or LL ???
or learn some new things ?

 

[StachuK1992]

If your PLL is taking 3-4s, improve on that.
At least get it down to 2-3s, 3-4s is way too large of your total solve.

 

[rj]

hey guys,I am new here..

I avg around 16-19. I need some help to get sub 15....
splits:
cross + F2l - 9-11 sec
Oll - 2-3 sec
Pll - 3-4 sec
Should I improve on f2l or LL ???
or learn some new things ?

Do you use 2 look LL?

 

[sneaklyfox]

Your LL takes too long.