[Help Thread] F2L Discussion and Help

[cuber314159]

I have recently noticed that I have far too many cube rotations and am doing F2L and part of 2 look OLL upside down, I was averaging about 19 seconds before hand and trying to switch to doing F2L the right way up has definitely made me slower so i have stopped timing myself.
how can I quickly get back to sub 20 times with F2L the right way up, without having to relearn F2L entirely; or should i just learn algorithmic?

 

[Dash Lambda]

Just solve, simple as that. It's best to solve as slowly as you need to in order to not pause, and just keep doing it until you get used to the new orientation.
Don't do algorithmic F2L, especially if you've already built up intuitive F2L.

 

[cuber314159]

Thanks, and yes I have an intuitive f2l (though there are annoying cases) but I am finding myself put in pairs incorrectly causing it to be even slower

 

[Xxcookid123xX]

How in the world is cfop faster than beginners method done 10 times?
I can't wrap my mind around how cfop is faster. When I do F2L, it takes me 10 minutes or more. And sometimes the colors are switched around so the pair has inverted colors that no where anywhere there is an answer for. Finding pairs is horrible. And not to mention the about 100 algorithms used in OLL and PLL. So how is this faster specifically? (Also I don't know if this question goes here if it doesn't I have no idea where else it'd go.)

 

[shadowslice e]

It's less moves, needs less rotations has just as good lookahead given enough practise and less steps.

 

[xyzzy]

Methods aren't fast or slow. It's the people using the methods that are fast or slow.

Being fast is essentially just a combination of three factors: thinking fast, moving fast, and moving less. CFOP offers an improvement on that third factor over any beginner's method, but the first two factors are up to the person executing the method. You'll get faster with practice.

 

[Xxcookid123xX]

Methods aren't fast or slow. It's the people using the methods that are fast or slow.

Being fast is essentially just a combination of three factors: thinking fast, moving fast, and moving less. CFOP offers an improvement on that third factor over any beginner's method, but the first two factors are up to the person executing the method. You'll get faster with practice.

But what about the immense amount of algorithms? No way you can grab one of those algorithms out of your head and do it in a microsecond. PLL is never explained anywhere, all they give on sites and videos are the cases.

 

[guysensei1]

But what about the immense amount of algorithms? No way you can grab one of those algorithms out of your head and do it in a microsecond. PLL is never explained anywhere, all they give on sites and videos are the cases.

Well clearly its possible to recall and execute the algorithms very quickly. Why does PLL need explanation, it's literally just look at case, do algorithm

 

[Xxcookid123xX]

Well clearly its possible to recall and execute the algorithms very quickly. Why does PLL need explanation, it's literally just look at case, do algorithm

None of the 37 cases would be like my cube. I tried 4 times.

 

[shadowslice e]

But what about the immense amount of algorithms? No way you can grab one of those algorithms out of your head and do it in a microsecond. PLL is never explained anywhere, all they give on sites and videos are the cases.

Well, if you can recall several different forms of integrations in a short amount of time, or several different formulae, why not several different algs? It will get much easier with practise.

 

[shadowslice e]

None of the 37 cases would be like my cube. I tried 4 times.

Are you sure you're not either recognising wrong or have parity or some wrong sticker configurations? Also, there aren't 37 PLL cases.

 

[Rcuber123]

But what about the immense amount of algorithms? No way you can grab one of those algorithms out of your head and do it in a microsecond. PLL is never explained anywhere, all they give on sites and videos are the cases.

F2L is intuitive so I can find explanations for every case but PLL is algorithmic so very few of the algs have explanations

 

[Xxcookid123xX]

Are you sure you're not either recognising wrong or have parity or some wrong sticker configurations? Also, there aren't 37 PLL cases.

The cube is currently solved. Still won't get a case of PLL. And I know there aren't 37, it was a guess. I can't remember exactly.

 

[shadowslice e]

The cube is currently solved. Still won't get a case of PLL. And I know there aren't 37, it was a guess. I can't remember exactly.

So if the cube is solved, what do you mean that you don;t get a PLL case?

 

[Xxcookid123xX]

So if the cube is solved, what do you mean that you don;t get a PLL case?

If I struggle to go through F2L, ruin my pairs for an inverted corner color that no site would explain how to do, find the OLL case, then finally last step. I never have a PLL case.

 

[shadowslice e]

If I struggle to go through F2L, ruin my pairs for an inverted corner color that no site would explain how to do, find the OLL case, then finally last step. I never have a PLL case.

Well, I still don't get what you mean but if it's the F2L that's making things difficult, try this tutorial and part 2 as well as other videos on the channel and others.

 

[1973486]

Lucas Etter has a good video.

 

[Xxcookid123xX]

Well, I still don't get what you mean but if it's the F2L that's making things difficult, try this tutorial and part 2 as well as other videos on the channel and others.

But can someone explain this?

I don't get how you flip this corner.

 

[1973486]

Look for the edge first

 

[FastCubeMaster]

You think it isn't faster because you haven't spent enough time with it yet. You need to practice more (slow solves) for a few weeks and you will dramatically improve