# The "Request an Alg" Thread

#### Timona

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R2 U R' U' y R U R' U' R U R' U' R U R' y' R U' R2

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#### Noob's Cubes

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x' R U' R' D R U R' D' R U R' D R U' R' D'
I assume that the D's are pushing with the left ring finger?

#### Garf

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If you are good at 3-style for 3-blind, then you might have figured out that the E-Perm are just two commutators. If you can do 3-style algs then the e-perm isn't that bad.
Or at least, be able to fingertrick it.

#### turtwig

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R2 U R' U' y R U R' U' R U R' U' R U R' y' R U' R2
You should only use this for OH and big cubes (5+, on 4x4 I would say the standard alg is still better).

#### Timona

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You should only use this for OH and big cubes (5+, on 4x4 I would say the standard alg is still better).
I don't even use it for Big cubes (I only do 4x4 and 5x5), I don't even use the alg at all, except for Megaminx.

#### Silky

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There are literally no good E perm algorithms that I can find ANYWHERE!!! Does anyone know a half decent one?
Consider learning Roux

#### qwr

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the standard alg
x' (R U' R' D) (R U R' D') (R U R' D) (R U' R' D')
you just memorize with muscle memory. that's pretty much it. To make it easier to learn, notice the R and R' are the same every 4 moves so you just have to memorize which hands do the U and D directions
some people can even sub-1 it

I assume that the D's are pushing with the left ring finger?
Yes. left hand does U', D, D', right hand does R, R', U. The initial x' R is executed as l

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#### ProStar

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x' R U' R' D R U R' D' R U R' D R U' R' D' is the most common E-perm algorithm. It looks super long and--with all the D-Moves--slow, but it's actually super fast if you learn to finger trick it. It's one of my fastest PLLs (although I'm horrible at PLL)

#### gsingh

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tymons uses R' U' R' D' R U' R' D R U R' D' R U R' D R2
but y x' R U' R' D R U R' D' R U R' D R U' R' D' x is more popular

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#### xyzzy

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There are literally no good E perm algorithms that I can find ANYWHERE!!! Does anyone know a half decent one?
Where did you look?

edit This is a serious question!

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#### Filipe Teixeira

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best resource to learn ZZLL?

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#### Timona

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best resource to learn ZZLL?

from the wiki

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#### Nevan J

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I can't decide which Gc algorithm to be my main, I know these 2 but I have been using the first one since I learned full PLL. Also what Gc alg do the top cubers use? (eg: the speedcuber's name and alg)

1) R2 U' R U' R U R' U R2 U D' R U' R' D
2) R2 F2 R U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2

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#### Imsoosm

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I can't decide which Gc algorithm to be my main, I know these 2 but I have been using the first one since I learned full PLL. Also what Gc alg do the top cubers use? (eg: the speedcuber's name and alg)

1) R2 U' R U' R U R' U R2 U D' R U' R' D
2) R2 F2 R U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2
The RUD ones are the best.
Ga - R2 U R' U R' U' R U' R2 D U' R' U R D'
Gb - R' U' R U D' R2 U R' U R U' R U' R2 D
Gc - R2 U' R U' R U R' U R2 D' U R U' R' D
Gd - R U R' U' D R2 U' R U' R' U R' U R2 D'

They are very similar to each other so it's pretty easy to memorize.
And just check the from competitive solves tab to see which alg has been used the most (hence which alg is best) • • bulkocuber and Nevan J

#### IsThatA4x4

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I can't decide which Gc algorithm to be my main, I know these 2 but I have been using the first one since I learned full PLL. Also what Gc alg do the top cubers use? (eg: the speedcuber's name and alg)

1) R2 U' R U' R U R' U R2 U D' R U' R' D
2) R2 F2 R U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2
I personally use the RUD one, and it's almost certainly faster here
The second one I've heard some people use where consistency in execution matters more (such as big cubes).
There are also wide move algs, that some people find the fastest, but they apparently have some tricky fingertricks, and I don't know enough about them to give any input on that.

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#### bulkocuber

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I can't decide which Gc algorithm to be my main, I know these 2 but I have been using the first one since I learned full PLL. Also what Gc alg do the top cubers use? (eg: the speedcuber's name and alg)

1) R2 U' R U' R U R' U R2 U D' R U' R' D
2) R2 F2 R U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2
The only Gc perm you should use is the wide U one
R2' u' R U' R U R' u R2 f R' f'

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#### Nevan J

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The only Gc perm you should use is the wide U one
R2' u' R U' R U R' u R2 f R' f'
that one is really hard to fingertrick + almost no top cuber uses it

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#### Imsoosm

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that one is really hard to fingertrick + almost no top cuber uses it
Almost no top cuber uses RUS U perms, but they are much faster than normal RU genned ones

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#### Nevan J

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Almost no top cuber uses RUS U perms, but they are much faster than normal RU genned ones
yea, but they also come with a high amount of risk
idk why every top cuber uses RU U perms instead of MU U perms

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