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xyzzy

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Apologies for the ambiguity - I meant that I wanted M' instead of M as it is more comfortable for me like my H perm alg
The actual solution would be to practise the algs hard enough until you get good at the M moves. There's no good alg for the U perms that uses M' and M2 but not M. Like, technically, you could replace the M moves with M3', but that's probably defeating the purpose.

(There's also M2 u M' u2 M' u M2 but it's very weird.)

You can also try the RU or RUS algs if the MU ones really don't cut it for you.
Ucw: R2 U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R'; R' U R' U' R' U' R' U R U R2; R2 U' S R2 S' R2 U R2
Uccw: R U' R U R U R U' R' U' R2; R2 U' R' U' R U R U R U' R; R U R' U R' U' R2 U' R' U R' U R

Z perm's new hot alg uses M and M2' moves, but you could just as well do M' and M2' moves instead. (See LukasCubes' post above.)
 

xyzzy

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Anyone have any good algs for the 3 pure edge flip ELL cases?
Yes, but have you looked on e.g. SCDB?

The ones I use:

Adjacent:
r U R' U' r' U2 R U R U' R2 U2 R
R U R' U' r' U2 R U R U' R2 U2 r (different angle)

Opposite:
M' U2 M U R' F' R S R' F R S' (2H)
R u R U R' U' u' R2 U2 R U' R' U' R (OH)
R U' R' F U R2 U' R' F' R' U' R U R U R2 (big)

Dot:
M' U2 M U2 M' U M U2 M' U2 M (2H)
S R' U' R U R U R U R2 U2 R2 U2 R S' (OH)
R2 F2 R2 U2 M' U' M U2 R2 F2 R2 (big)

(The algs for adj and the RUu and RUF algs for opp above are centre-safe. The rest are not centre-safe.)
 
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Nich240

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I would like to move only center pieces on a 4x4x4. Can someone assist in providing an algorithm set?
Example 1: I'd like to move a front top center piece with the piece on the opposite side
Example 2: I'd like to move a front top right piece with the piece on the opposite side
Example 3: ... Center piece only
Example 4: ... A full bar of 3 pieces
*Also move to adjacent sides.

There algorithms should only move the centers and not any side pieces.

Thank You!
 

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Ahhh thanks, F M F' is generally hard to do without regrips, can you suggest an alt?

M' F L' U' M2 U R U' M U M U' x'
M' F L' U' M' U M U' M' U R U' M x'
U' L' U M' U' L F U M U' M F' U M'
y U2 R E' R U R E' R' U' R E2 R U2 y'
U2 M' U M' U2 M' U M U F M2 F' U
U' F' M2 U' M' U M U M' U M' U2 F U
U' F U' r U M' U2 M' U r' U M2 F' U
U' F U' M' U M' U2 M' U M U M2 F' U
 

PapaSmurf

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1 is just 2 and 5 written with fewer moves (I'd rank them as 1>5>2 as at least you can do the M' R' at the same time). Tbf, 3 is also a good shout if you're good at lefty turining. 4 is meh. I know some people are really fast with it, but I think all the fast turners use 1.
 

Chiew Kai

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G perms are horrible and i have finished learning Gb and Gd. But i still need help for Ga and Gc. Do any of you have good algs?
 
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