The New Method / Substep / Concept Idea Thread

[TheSlykrCubr]

eolr but you place the BD edge instead of l and r and then follow up with l5ep

 

[Username: Username:]

eolr but you place the BD edge instead of l and r and then follow up with l5ep

ye eolr has way more resources and is more efficient + with this you have to learn algs for LSE (L5EP) and that is one thing that Rouxers don't like, algs, otherwise, pretty kewl.

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

ye eolr has way more resources and is more efficient + with this you have to learn algs for LSE (L5EP) and that is one thing that Rouxers don't like, algs, otherwise, pretty kewl.

does it exist yet?

 

[Username: Username:]

does it exist yet?

Most likely as it's not that hard to come up with such a thing.

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

Most likely as it's not that hard to come up with such a thing.

i was pretty surprised tho cause it isn't on the wiki

 

[PapaSmurf]

Yes, it does exist, just it's not on the wiki because it's worse than normal LSE. Similar to insert DFDB and do OLL/PLL.

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

Beginner ribbon method for people who know oll

ribbon

f2l-1

literally any tols+ or tols- case to orient Bottom layer coner

oll

2 look ttll

 

[PetraPine]

Beginner ribbon method for people who know oll

ribbon

f2l-1

literally any tols+ or tols- case to orient Bottom layer coner

oll

2 look ttll

or, f2l-1 insert edge+1 top corner,
oll
(corner)ttll
epll

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

how about as another ribbon method variant but not a beginner method

1) ribbon

2) f2l-2

3) VHLS. works since the other edge is already in

4) TOLS cases with cross

5) TTLL

thinking about making a set of algs for the cross cases to place bottom corner and then just to PLL

 

[PetraPine]

how about as another ribbon method variant but not a beginner method

1) ribbon

2) f2l-2

3) VHLS. works since the other edge is already in

4) TOLS cases with cross

5) TTLL

thinking about making a set of algs for the cross cases to place bottom corner and then just to PLL

its better to just do ZB at that point

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

its better to just do ZB at that point

if you used zbls instead of vhls then they would both be 3-look last 2 slots and last layer

 

[PetraPine]

if you used zbls instead of vhls then they would both be 3-look last 2 slots and last layer

i dont mean to make the variant better,
i just mean that variant is just worse ZB

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

i dont mean to make the variant better,
i just mean that variant is just worse ZB

I'm just pointing It out

 

[Cubing Forever]

So...I came up with this by accident. Let me know If this has been proposed earlier.
The basic idea is that you solve F2L however you would until the last slot, and when you arrive at it, you look at how the yellow edges are oriented, regardless of the F2L case and you use the three EO algs from 2 look OLL i.e. F R U R' U' F' if there is a line, F U R U' R' F' if there is an L, and the dot case which requires you to do the first alg, U2 and the second alg to orient the U layer edges and the next step is solve the last slot as usual and proceed with ZBLL, COLL/EPLL or OCLL/PLL.

WEIRD CASES

LS edge flipped : there may be one yellow edge sticker on the top and the edge in the slot will be twisted. for this, check for an edge having green or blue on top and its position relative to the yellow sticker and perform the corresponding algorithm.

U layer edges oriented, LS edge flipped : do a y/y' and continue as usual.


PROS:
Saves you from learning 306 algs for ZBLS
Turns bad cases such as wrongly connected pairs into 6 movers or sometimes 3 movers

CONS:
Not so easy recognition
Lookahead problems
Turns good cases into bad cases

I'd recommend this only for bad F2L cases

 

[Nir1213]

So...I came up with this by accident. Let me know If this has been proposed earlier.
The basic idea is that you solve F2L however you would until the last slot, and when you arrive at it, you look at how the yellow edges are oriented, regardless of the F2L case and you use the three EO algs from 2 look OLL i.e. F R U R' U' F' if there is a line, F U R U' R' F' if there is an L, and the dot case which requires you to do the first alg, U2 and the second alg to orient the U layer edges and the next step is solve the last slot as usual and proceed with ZBLL, COLL/EPLL or OCLL/PLL.

WEIRD CASES

LS edge flipped : there may be one yellow edge sticker on the top and the edge in the slot will be twisted. for this, check for an edge having green or blue on top and its position relative to the yellow sticker and perform the corresponding algorithm.

U layer edges oriented, LS edge flipped : do a y/y' and continue as usual.


PROS:
Saves you from learning 306 algs for ZBLS
Turns bad cases such as wrongly connected pairs into 6 movers or sometimes 3 movers

CONS:
Not so easy recognition
Lookahead problems
Turns good cases into bad cases

I'd recommend this only for bad F2L cases

this is similar to VHLS right?
I mean like in VHLS you solve all edge-corner pairs except the last one, and when you pair up the last one you also orient all edges while slotting it in?

 

[xyzzy]

Turns bad cases such as wrongly connected pairs into 6 movers or sometimes 3 movers
[…]
I'd recommend this only for bad F2L cases

That about sums it up. This is really bad for most F2L cases; most of the time you can either just do LS normally, do VHLS, or do Petrus-like EO (F' U F and similar) and these will all be better.

 

[Kaneki Uchiha]

this is similar to VHLS right?
I mean like in VHLS you solve all edge-corner pairs except the last one, and when you pair up the last one you also orient all edges while slotting it in?

vhls is in essence a worse version of zbls just that it has way less algs

 

[Nir1213]

vhls is in essence a worse version of zbls just that it has way less algs

yes but its useful at least

 

[PetraPine]

So...I came up with this by accident. Let me know If this has been proposed earlier.
The basic idea is that you solve F2L however you would until the last slot, and when you arrive at it, you look at how the yellow edges are oriented, regardless of the F2L case and you use the three EO algs from 2 look OLL i.e. F R U R' U' F' if there is a line, F U R U' R' F' if there is an L, and the dot case which requires you to do the first alg, U2 and the second alg to orient the U layer edges and the next step is solve the last slot as usual and proceed with ZBLL, COLL/EPLL or OCLL/PLL.

WEIRD CASES

LS edge flipped : there may be one yellow edge sticker on the top and the edge in the slot will be twisted. for this, check for an edge having green or blue on top and its position relative to the yellow sticker and perform the corresponding algorithm.

U layer edges oriented, LS edge flipped : do a y/y' and continue as usual.


PROS:
Saves you from learning 306 algs for ZBLS
Turns bad cases such as wrongly connected pairs into 6 movers or sometimes 3 movers

CONS:
Not so easy recognition
Lookahead problems
Turns good cases into bad cases

I'd recommend this only for bad F2L cases

I do this already because I hybrid petrus and freefop+eo and I do that intuitively

 

[Cubing Forever]

this is similar to VHLS right?
I mean like in VHLS you solve all edge-corner pairs except the last one, and when you pair up the last one you also orient all edges while slotting it in?

No it isn't similar. In VHLS, you connect the pair, and then you use an algorithm to solve EO and LS. Here you solve EO before LS

That about sums it up. This is really bad for most F2L cases; most of the time you can either just do LS normally, do VHLS, or do Petrus-like EO (F' U F and similar) and these will all be better.

Sorry I forgot something.
By good cases I meant R U R' and R U' R' insert cases. For all the other cases, after EO the cases are 2 gen 7 movers.
You can do this for cases where the pieces are unconnected and also for flipped edges where corner is on U. This saves atleast 6 moves(if you use OCLL/PLL)