#### the dnf master

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If there is an OLL in which the standard alg gives a diagonal corner swap, is it worth it to use a different alg, which is a bit worse but will give an adjacent corner swap?

#### zzoomer

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If there is an OLL in which the standard alg gives a diagonal corner swap, is it worth it to use a different alg, which is a bit worse but will give an adjacent corner swap?
How much worse is "a bit worse"? Please give an example.

#### WoowyBaby

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The actual difference between adjacent PLL's and diagonal PLL's is small enough that you'd likely be wasting time choosing a different algorithm for most OLL's. If you're instead doing an alternate algorithm that gives you an EPLL instead of a diagonal PLL, then your alternate OLL algorithm to do so can be a bit worse than normal OLL. There's a few cases where it's worth it, others not. Sometimes bad recognition for CP can make this slower and not worth it, like for sune and antisune corner orientations. An example of an OLL case that's totally worth it to do an alternate is if doing r U R' U' r' F R F' gives you diagonal PLL, its of course better to do U2 l' U' L U l F' L' F which is just a bit slower but gives you EPLL in return. But generally, probably not, most OLL's are not worth knowing an alternative algorithm for that, at least that's what I think.

#### the dnf master

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How much worse is "a bit worse"? Please give an example.
For example if I have a pi shaped OLL, in which the standard 2 gen alg gives a diagonal corner swap, and instead I do R' U' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U2 R' U2 R, which gives an adjacent swap

#### zzoomer

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For example if I have a pi shaped OLL, in which the standard 2 gen alg gives a diagonal corner swap, and instead I do R' U' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U2 R' U2 R, which gives an adjacent swap
Absolutely not worth it.

#### Scollier

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I guess this is where I post this question...It didn't seem to fit in any of the other categories.

What is the difference between 3x3 and 3x3/C cube sticker logos?

#### xyzzy

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I guess this is where I post this question...It didn't seem to fit in any of the other categories.

What is the difference between 3x3 and 3x3/C cube sticker logos?

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Circular versus square, I think? You should ask Cubicle directly (and then update your post with the answer).

#### DiamondGolem12

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Can somebody link me some really beginner zz line/cross example solves? All the ones I can find are either unclear or too advanced for me.

#### the dnf master

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what's the best rotationless insert for backslots with misoriented edges OH . Normally I use f R' f' or f R' f', but those are impractical. There might be one I've never heard of before. Or is the best choice simply to rotate and insert 2-gen?

#### Filipe Teixeira

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what's the best rotationless insert for backslots with misoriented edges OH . Normally I use f R' f' or f R' f', but those are impractical. There might be one I've never heard of before. Or is the best choice simply to rotate and insert 2-gen?
I can only remember the potentially worse VHLS r' U r U' r' U' r... (i can do it fast 2H)
for OH maybe rotate and insert is better

#### zzoomer

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what's the best rotationless insert for backslots with misoriented edges OH . Normally I use f R' f' or f R' f', but those are impractical. There might be one I've never heard of before. Or is the best choice simply to rotate and insert 2-gen?
use zz rotate insert

#### BenChristman1

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what's the best rotationless insert for backslots with misoriented edges OH . Normally I use f R' f' or f R' f', but those are impractical. There might be one I've never heard of before. Or is the best choice simply to rotate and insert 2-gen?
I don’t know what you mean by impractical. It’s very practical.

#### Filipe Teixeira

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what's the best way to associate L and U COLL commutator cases with each alg / inverse / mirror / mirror inverse?
I'm having a hard time diferentiating each alg

#### Brouxt Force

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what's the best way to associate L and U COLL commutator cases with each alg / inverse / mirror / mirror inverse?
I'm having a hard time diferentiating each alg
For the U COLL (or CMLL) cases, I started out using four stickers to recognize. If the misoriented corners are in UBL and UBR, then the four stickers I would use are FUL, FUR, UBL, and UBR. The cases would be left column, right column, back row, front row, X checkerboard, and columns. Obviously in other orientations where you cannot see all four stickers, you would need either another way to recognize, or be able to deduce what one of the stickers you cannot see are. Figuring out what the last sticker with only three out of four is easy, so I just deduce one corner and immediately know the case (assuming I'm not being bad and flicking the U face to recognize. I am very guilty of that). That's basically what I did when I started 1-look CMLL for U cases and it is what I still do now.

For the L cases, I don't think there's any way to do it that is as easy as the U case recognition. I just use 3 stickers that I can see, and learned two recognition angles for it to avoid unnecessary AUFs. Adding the second sticker on one of the oriented corners may make it easier to remember all of the cases when you can see two faces of an oriented corner.

#### Cubing Forever

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what's the best way to associate L and U COLL commutator cases with each alg / inverse / mirror / mirror inverse?
I'm having a hard time diferentiating each alg

for this one, the UBR and URF stickers are matching. The alg for this is R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R

for this one, it would be UBL and ULF matching. The alg for this is R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R'