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What do you currently average? as someone who Is not the best at cross, I can't give too much advice, but I did a session on cstimer where I only solved cross, and got my times down from 3 secs to 2.5
What do you currently average?
It currently takes me about 4-7 seconds to make the cross
I meant all up... cross, f2l, oll, pll..
Quick tip for cross: use fat l, u, and r moves in the right scenarios: for example when a bunch of cross pieces are in the front layer or just flat out not oriented properly to be inserted into the cross layer!
Dear Speedsolving.com members greetings: My name is Andytu, as this beginner has start his own RUBIK 's cube training sessions, just want to ask you something: Most of the notable speed cubers saying that, in Ms. Fridrich's CFOP method, the Cross ( Color neutral or not ) con be done in 8/Eight moves, if not in 6/Six moves or less, now: 1. How do you consider a "Move" ? Is F "one" move as well as F2 ? What is the story after this rule & why? 2. Following the first question logic, here some of my - used a modified Yuxin Little Magic 3x3 to match up the video settings - Cross solving results cases: First case Inspection: x, y Cross: U, B, E', F', L2, U', B' R ( 9 moves counting L2 ) Second case Inspection: x,x',y Cross: R, F, U, B'2, D2, R, D, B' ( 10 moves counting B'2, D'2 ) Third case Inspection: x,x',y Cross: L', B2, U' F' R, M',x ( 8 moves counting B2, x ) Fourth case Inspection: x,y,x' Cross: R', U, D, F, D', B', R', D2 ( 9 moves counting D2 ) Question: Are you, Sir & Madam, absolutely 100% sure that the every single Cross cases can be solved in 8 clean - Including the 180 degrees turns - moves or less? Because this beginner is averaging 9~12 "moves" - counting such as F2/U2/M2 moves - on solving any Cross, may you be so kind to enlighten me what is this beginner doing wrong? Specially with those examples above? Very appreciated! Happy holidays! God bless you all ~ Andytu 2019/12/20 17:10 at home | ||
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Dear Speedsolving.com members greetings:
My name is Andytu, as this beginner has start his own RUBIK 's cube training sessions, just want to ask you something:
Most of the notable speed cubers saying that, in Ms. Fridrich's CFOP method, the Cross ( Color neutral or not ) con be done in 8/Eight moves, if not in 6/Six moves or less, now:
1. How do you consider a "Move" ? Is F "one" move as well as F2 ? What is the story after this rule & why?
2. Following the first question logic, here some of my - used a modified Yuxin Little Magic 3x3 to match up the video settings - Cross solving results cases:
First case
Inspection: x, y
Cross: U, B, E', F', L2, U', B' R ( 9 moves counting L2 )
Second case
Inspection: x,x',y
Cross: R, F, U, B'2, D2, R, D, B' ( 10 moves counting B'2, D'2 )
Third case
Inspection: x,x',y
Cross: L', B2, U' F' R, M',x ( 8 moves counting B2, x )
Fourth case
Inspection: x,y,x'
Cross: R', U, D, F, D', B', R', D2 ( 9 moves counting D2 )
Question: Are you, Sir & Madam, absolutely 100% sure that the every single Cross cases can be solved in 8 clean - Including the 180 degrees turns - moves or less? Because this beginner is averaging 9~12 "moves" - counting such as F2/U2/M2 moves - on solving any Cross, may you be so kind to enlighten me what is this beginner doing wrong? Specially with those examples above? Very appreciated! Happy holidays!
God bless you all
~ Andytu
2019/12/20 17:10 at home
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Dear Speedsolving.com members greetings:
My name is Andytu, as this beginner has start his own RUBIK 's cube training sessions, just want to ask you something:
Most of the notable speed cubers saying that, in Ms. Fridrich's CFOP method, the Cross ( Color neutral or not ) con be done in 8/Eight moves, if not in 6/Six moves or less, now:
1. How do you consider a "Move" ? Is F "one" move as well as F2 ? What is the story after this rule & why?
2. Following the first question logic, here some of my - used a modified Yuxin Little Magic 3x3 to match up the video settings - Cross solving results cases:
First case
Inspection: x, y
Cross: U, B, E', F', L2, U', B' R ( 9 moves counting L2 )
Second case
Inspection: x,x',y
Cross: R, F, U, B'2, D2, R, D, B' ( 10 moves counting B'2, D'2 )
Third case
Inspection: x,x',y
Cross: L', B2, U' F' R, M',x ( 8 moves counting B2, x )
Fourth case
Inspection: x,y,x'
Cross: R', U, D, F, D', B', R', D2 ( 9 moves counting D2 )
Question: Are you, Sir & Madam, absolutely 100% sure that the every single Cross cases can be solved in 8 clean - Including the 180 degrees turns - moves or less? Because this beginner is averaging 9~12 "moves" - counting such as F2/U2/M2 moves - on solving any Cross, may you be so kind to enlighten me what is this beginner doing wrong? Specially with those examples above? Very appreciated! Happy holidays!
God bless you all
~ Andytu
2019/12/20 17:10 at home
Eliminar
what cross color are you doing? also, are you solving the cross on the top or bottom? F2 is considered to be one "Move" because it only requires on movement to solve. where R B requires to movements to do.
How many moves you've done depends on what metric you're using. FMC uses HTM, and most reconstructions use STM. You can find an explanation of all the turn metrics here.
This beginner use what you experts called as The quarter turn metric (QTM) With that being said, a Cross can never be solves in 8 Clean moves, does it?
God bless you
~Andytu
2019/12/23 13:52 local times
I am pretty sure F2 is considered one move because it only really requires one movement of your hand. you said you were a beginner so you might do two movements to do a turn like that. As you get more experienced you will start to do a move like R2 with one movement of your hand. This I am pretty sure is why it is considered one move.This beginner is Color Neutral, as fan of Mr. Feliks Zemdegs by watching his videos, solves the Cross always in the bottom. What is the story behind this F/F2 both considered as one move ? & Why? As beginner it's really confuses me a lot...
Dear Mr./Ms. Prostar greetings:Most of the time, either Half Turn Metric(HTM) or Slice Turn Metric(STM) is used for calculating the moves done. So in both HTM and STM, you can solve a cross in 8 moves or less.
Thank you, Mr. Morrison, by the way, your record in WCA are impressives!Hello Andytu,
Here is how I would solve both of those cases.
first case
no rotations in inspection
Cross: R' F' U' F' L' B L2 which is seven moves, eight if you count L2 as two moves.
second case:
inspection: y'
Cross: U F L R2 D' R which is 6 moves, 7 if you count the R2 as two moves.
These are however more advanced solutions which you may not be accustomed to.
I would recommend not doing slice moves especially not E or S as they are slow and hard to execute.
God bless you,
-Owen
Thank you, Mr. Morrison, by the way, your record in WCA are impressives!
Now as you mentioned, part of my beginner training menu is, precisely FSC, by watching Mr. Feliks Zemdegs' Youtube channel & some unorthodox idea of my own, in some cases could force reduced as fewer moves as possible:
Fifth case:
Inspection: x, y, y'
Cross: r, D, R, U, L, F, x'
Sixth case:
Inspection: x,y,y'
Cross: E', U, L, B, F'2
Just wondering, how you all ladies and gentlemen started to make the Cross efficient way? Is there any database of Crosses solves through the years at all? How do you improve yourself? Not only blind practices but use ingenious & FSC? Thanks again! Happy holidays
God bless you
~Beginner Andytu
2019/12/24 12:02
Thank you!Thank you, Mr. Morrison, by the way, your record in WCA are impressives!
Just wondering, how you all ladies and gentlemen started to make the Cross efficient way? Is there any database of Crosses solves through the years at all? How do you improve yourself? Not only blind practices but use ingenious & FSC? Thanks again! Happy holidays
It's less about looking at a scramble and recognizing it... For example, E' U L B F2 may be more move-efficient, but not very ergonomic...
I learned how to solve the cross much more efficiently through J Perms videos, specifically this one:
It helped me a lot, I hope it helps you!