[Help Thread] CFOP Discussion

[Cube Tribe]

Ok so im going to have to take a 2 year break (at least that's how long it will be if things stay the same) in about 3 years. How hard was it to remember all of your algs and stuff?

Most of my algorithms were bad and so I learned better algs with better fingertricks, suprisingly I remembered a lot of algs but my recognition got really really worse, algorithms were 30% in my memory lol

 

[NevEr_QeyX]

I wanna learn ZBLS, ZBLL, Full color neutrality, Efficient F2l and Inspection of first pair before solving, how much do u think I can average with this?

So you want to learn the ZB method?

There is a guy who averages like mid 7s using ZB.

 

[Cube Tribe]

So you want to learn the ZB method?

There is a guy who averages like mid 7s using ZB.

I wanna do that after sub 10

 

[Sub1Hour]

Most of my algorithms were bad and so I learned better algs with better fingertricks, suprisingly I remembered a lot of algs but my recognition got really really worse, algorithms were 30% in my memory lol

oof, I have good algs though so hopefully I won't forget. A friend had to quit for the same reason as I will and he did blind memo before he left so I'll ask him when he gets back in a few months how to remember things so well.

 

[NevEr_QeyX]

I wanna do that after sub 10

Ok just a heads up, you'll have to practice for like 2-3 hours a day for like a year and a half to get to sub ten from 18. Also older people have a harder time developing TPS.

oof, I have good algs though so hopefully I won't forget. A friend had to quit for the same reason as I will and he did blind memo before he left so I'll ask him when he gets back in a few months how to remember things so well.

The blind memo experience only really applies to short term memory.

 

[Cube Tribe]

Ok just a heads up, you'll have to practice for like 2-3 hours a day for like a year and a half to get to sub ten from 18. Also older people have a harder time developing TPS.

My next goal is to average around 10 by 2022

 

[ProStar]

I wanna learn ZBLS, ZBLL, Full color neutrality, Efficient F2l and Inspection of first pair before solving, how much do u think I can average with this?

*wants to have basic skills needed to be fast like good F2L and planning 1st pair*
Me: Makes since, good luck
*wants to be CN*
Me: Cool, it's a useful skill
*wants to learn ZB*
Me: Well, that escalated quickly


Seriously though, ZB only helps a little(assuming sub-10) because of recognition time, just ask @Tao Yu (best user with ZB). ZB will take a very long time to learn for most people(Tao is a freak of nature and learned it in like a month, don't pay attention to him lol), just talk to some of the many people learning ZBLL on the forums. Focus on your F2L and inspection, that's what's gonna make you faster. Becoming CN is a good idea also, because once that's completed it will make inspection much easier, plus it's just good to have in general. Also, one more piece of evidence that algs won't magically make you faster, there's a guy on YouTube going by "Last Layer King", and he knows full OLLCP, full ZBLL, and is learning 1LLL, yet he's not sub-10. So even if you were to learn 1LLL, it's not going to make you instantly insane. If your F2L takes more than 10 seconds, you can't be sub-10.


I sure hope that wasn't too hard to understand, it kinda jumped all over the place lol

 

[IwasHere]

I started speedcubing a year ago and took half a year a break. 3 days ago I learned my Plls again and now I‘m at 20-35 (avg 27). Today I tried to solve on the yellow site and was at around 45 secs. In my solves I had long pauses during f2l (I could not find the two pieces, wich pair up, wich normally goes in about 1 second) and was very dissappointed about my results. Now, I’m asking myself:
Should I become dual color, or should I learn some Olls? Or what would you recommend for me?

 

[ProStar]

Practice, improve F2L. You can start learning OLL if you want, or wait a little. You can be CN if you want, because it'll only get harder. Of course, CN isn't something that's necessary, but just a good skill.

 

[James Cuber]

how do you solve faster

 

[ProStar]

What method do you use?

 

[James Cuber]

How do you learn CFOP more easily?

 

[Micah Morrison]

How do you learn CFOP more easily?

Learn f2l intuitively and don't worry about learning oll and pll at first. I would recommend learning 4 look last layer using this tutorial instead https://www.cubeskills.com/uploads/pdf/tutorials/4-look-last-layer.pdf. Also, just give it a lot of time. Your times will be slower at the start so I would recommend doing untimed solves at first so you don't get discouraged.

 

[James Cuber]

Learn f2l intuitively and don't worry about learning oll and pll at first. I would recommend learning 4 look last layer using this tutorial instead https://www.cubeskills.com/uploads/pdf/tutorials/4-look-last-layer.pdf. Also, just give it a lot of time. Your times will be slower at the start so I would recommend doing untimed solves at first so you don't get discouraged.

Thanks I learned about half the oll's and 1/3 of the pll's I quit cubing but solved my gigaminx and im back now

 

[Micah Morrison]

depends on what method you use and how fast you are already.

 

[James Cuber]

depends on what method you use and how fast you are already.

im around 25 and about halff oll and pll and around 5 f2l algs

 

[Cody_Caston]

Don’t use algs for f2l, i can make lookahead worse, instead learn efficient ways for those cases

 

[NevEr_QeyX]

im around 25 and about halff oll and pll and around 5 f2l algs

I suggest learning intuitive F2L because it aids with recognition. Did you mean you are averaging 25 seconds or 25 years old (or both)? Do you know half of PLL, or half of OLL, or half of both? Are you averaging 25 and a half or are you 25 and a half years old?

And what does 5 F2L algs mean? you know the solution for only 5 cases? Or do you know 5 algs for bad cases?

Don’t use algs for f2l, i can make lookahead worse, instead learn efficient ways for those cases

Why would you want to make lookahead worse for this poor new cuber?

 

[James Cuber]

I suggest learning intuitive F2L because it aids with recognition. Did you mean you are averaging 25 seconds or 25 years old (or both)? Do you know half of PLL, or half of OLL, or half of both? Are you averaging 25 and a half or are you 25 and a half years old?

And what does 5 F2L algs mean? you know the solution for only 5 cases? Or do you know 5 algs for bad cases?


Why would you want to make lookahead worse for this poor new cuber?

i know 5 f2l allgs and half the oll and pll's

 

[Cody_Caston]

I suggest learning intuitive F2L because it aids with recognition. Did you mean you are averaging 25 seconds or 25 years old (or both)? Do you know half of PLL, or half of OLL, or half of both? Are you averaging 25 and a half or are you 25 and a half years old?

And what does 5 F2L algs mean? you know the solution for only 5 cases? Or do you know 5 algs for bad cases?


Why would you want to make lookahead worse for this poor new cuber?

Oops, meant it