(New) What cubes should be added to the WCA events list?

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

the best people at master kilominx take around 4 minutes,so i guess it would be too long
master pyraminx seems interesting,but the worry is that it could get trivial quickly

the best people at master pyraminx take less than 13 seconds, while the best people at kilominx/kibiminx takes less than 11 seconds.

 

[aerocube]

the best people at master pyraminx take less than 13 seconds, while the best people at kilominx/kibiminx takes less than 11 seconds.

skewb was originally a longer event before people figured out it could be solved in a 2x2-style way with loads of algs
master pyraminx could become trivial

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

skewb was originally a longer event before people figured out it could be solved in a 2x2-style way with loads of algs
master pyraminx could become trivial

What about redi cube? There is a magnetic one from Yuxin, so hardware is very good.

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

Since I forgot to add so many things, I decided to make a new one.

I think we can refer to this: https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/List_of_Unofficial_World_Records

 

[aerocube]

What about redi cube? There is a magnetic one from Yuxin, so hardware is very good.

redi cube uwr is around 3 seconds,it's already pretty trivial

 

[whatshisbucket]

the best people at master pyraminx take less than 13 seconds, while the best people at kilominx/kibiminx takes less than 11 seconds.

skewb was originally a longer event before people figured out it could be solved in a 2x2-style way with loads of algs
master pyraminx could become trivial

You guys are kidding right? No one averages less than 24 or 17 on those puzzles respectively; saying the best people take [UWR single time] isn't very fair. Both puzzles are sufficiently complicated and have enough pieces that averages would never be based primarily on luck.

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

You guys are kidding right? No one averages less than 24 or 17 on those puzzles respectively; saying the best people take [UWR single time] isn't very fair. Both puzzles are sufficiently complicated and have enough pieces that averages would never be based primarily on luck.

Yes! That's why Master Pyraminx and kilominx/kibiminx should be added to the WCA events. It will be fun. They are not trivial.

 

[Kit Clement]

I assume the reason you say mirror blocks is logistically impossible is because of inadvertent turning when bringing the cube to the competitor - difficulty placing the cube on the table without messing up the scramble (like square-1 without the inserts)?

No, it's because I see it impossible to regulate what is a legal mirror blocks puzzle. Many exist out there that are symmetric and have interchangeable pieces in the solved state, which is difficult to detect by the naked eye. Additionally, there could be mirror blocks puzzles that are more/less "bumped" than others, or have sides with different varied lengths. That to me makes it nearly impossible to encode puzzle regulations for this event, as there probably should be limits on what is acceptable, but I can't see them being easily written in our regs. Even if they somehow do get written, I can't see them easily being implemented without all delegates owning their own caliper.

 

[Wish Lin]

Just curious, what makes you think the second puzzle in C tier better than anything in E tier?

 

[VIBE_ZT]

Curvy Copter in my opinion is definitely the most viable of new events.

The hardware is kinda bad, yes, but that leaves a lot of room for improvement. Isn't that what happened for Skewb, Square-1, and big cubes?

There is no great method for it yet. Very recently, there have been developments in Last 4 Corners algorithms, but there is definitely room for improvement throughout. With the UWR being around 50 seconds (I think? Idek where I'd find that) there is definitely room for improvement throughout. It is the kind of puzzle that definitely won't warrent any sort ridiculous lucky single, like 2x2 or Pyraminx.

It is not like any other WCA puzzle.
All other puzzles turn either on a face, or with a slice or something. There is no puzzle that turns along an edge, like the Curvy Copter does. Most cubers will probably have no idea how to approach a puzzle like this, and it would present a good challenge to most cubers, and give them a new challenge.
Yeah, people with experience will be able to figure it out quickly, and itll be easy, yada yada yada, but... The community isn't all advanced, world-class cubers. And competitions aren't just for these elite cubers, right?


With 3x3 Feet possibly being removed, there would be a spot for a new puzzle.
Perhaps the Curvy Copter could be the puzzle that could fill the spot. And for those of you saying that it would be too many events for a competition... Well, most competitions hold barely a third of the events. Championships would be fine with the absence of Feet. Maybe it would take up even less time, considering that many Feet attempts can take upwards of 4 minutes.


But wait! What about jumbling!?

I'll admit, you'd have me there. This is the only problem with it.

The only other jumbling puzzle is Square-1. And even then, the jumbling is maneagable and intuitive.

With a Curvy Copter... It is a lot more difficult.

A scrambler would prove to be difficult. And notation might be a bother. But in the few weeks that the Curvy Copter has gained traction, I have seen multiple viable notations, and work on a scrambler. I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that the geniuses on this forum and in this community would be stumped by this. I know for a fact that there are some people willing to take on the challenge, and are already doing so.
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If this post seems to repeat a lot of the info previously posted in this thread, then that's because it probably does. This is just meant to be a post encapsuling all of the reasons and logic as to why I think that this puzzle is a viable event for a WCA competition. Feel free to agree or disagree. I want to spark discussion. That's why this thread is a thing.

 

[Wish Lin]

Very recently, there have been developments in Last 4 Corners algorithms

Thanks for the shoutout!

It is the kind of puzzle that definitely won't warrent any sort ridiculous lucky single

Surprisingly, the current non- jumbling UWR have a 4 move F2L+ Clover and 2 move LL(except L4C). This kind of lucky scrambles should gradually fade out after @whatshisbucket 's scrambler is out.

 

[Kit Clement]

Just curious, what makes you think the second puzzle in C tier better than anything in E tier?

Tried out someone's 3D printed version of the face turning octahedron, he was showing me methods that he had worked on for the puzzle and it seemed like it would be an interesting, non-trivial puzzle to add that's very different from existing events.

 

[Wish Lin]

Tried out someone's 3D printed version of the face turning octahedron, he was showing me methods that he had worked on for the puzzle and it seemed like it would be an interesting, non-trivial puzzle to add that's very different from existing events.

Oh I see. Thank you!

 

[Wish Lin]

Curvy copter is in the 'trash' tier? Ouch...

I see why it is there now. Although I really like curvy copter and oraganized it’s 2-look L4C algorithms recently, but it still has many problems IMO including notation/scrambler not yet standardized, it’s cube cover will be hard to design, popularity, hardware, not so good methods....... and so on.

So as for now, considering how hard and strict being a WCA event is, it’s odds of being a WCA event is LITERALLY TRASH now.That’s what me and many others here try to change.

 

[Kit Clement]

Curvy copter is in the 'trash' tier? Ouch...

Was debating just throwing everything into F tier but I figured I'd be marginally constructive.

 

[Wish Lin]

Was debating just throwing everything into F tier but I figured I'd be marginally constructive.

So do you think as for now no events should be added?

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

So do you think as for now no events should be added?

Master Pyraminx and kilominx/kibiminx should be added to the WCA events.

 

[Kit Clement]

So do you think as for now no events should be added?

After seeing great support for Skewb pre-2014 only for the event to become disliked by many (even some of those who originally supported it), I'd really like to see consistent support and development through holding events unofficially at comps before truly considering them as potential official events.

 

[aerocube]

You guys are kidding right? No one averages less than 24 or 17 on those puzzles respectively; saying the best people take [UWR single time] isn't very fair. Both puzzles are sufficiently complicated and have enough pieces that averages would never be based primarily on luck.

i'm worried that for master pyraminx people could find a method that trivializes it
i think kilominx is a good event though,and would be a nice one to add if another event is ever removed

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

the best people at master pyraminx take less than 13 seconds, while the best people at kilominx/kibiminx takes less than 11 seconds.

i'm worried that for master pyraminx people could find a method that trivializes it
i think kilominx is a good event though,and would be a nice one to add if another event is ever removed

Current UWR takes longer to solve a master pyraminx than a kilominx/kibiminx. Also, it is good to see developments on solving methods.