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Maru= water based lube
Water on metal rusts out the metal
No wonder your core rusted.
Only place silicone oil on the core.
You might have to get a new core.
 
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Hello. I recently came back to speedcubing. Currently I am unable to order through the internet for a week or two but in the nearest car shop I have found a silicone spray of a brand K2. Ive been using it in the past, but not that much. It was smoothing the cube movements significantly. Though I read that silicone sprays can eat plastic. On that particular product there is a description that says it can be used for plastic and moving parts. It creates a thin, transparent sliding surface. Does anyone have greater experience with it? Or should I wait untill I can order the actual lube like lubix etc?
 
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Hello. I recently came back to speedcubing. Currently I am unable to order through the internet for a week or two but in the nearest car shop I have found a silicone spray of a brand K2. Ive been using it in the past, but not that much. It was smoothing the cube movements significantly. Though I read that silicone sprays can eat plastic. On that particular product there is a description that says it can be used for plastic and moving parts. It creates a thin, transparent sliding surface. Does anyone have greater experience with it? Or should I wait untill I can order the actual lube like lubix etc?

Not to answer your question. But Lubix isn’t a thing now. Most people use Traxxas 10,30,50k or cubicle weight/SCS weight lube. Also DNM/Martian for speeding puzzles up. Traxxas is a great choice.
 
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Hey Guys. Even though I only average 20 seconds I use a gan air ultimate. I made a big mistake of buying it when I used to average just less than a minute. Since my only other 3x3s are a mofangjiaoshi mf3rs and a Rubik’s brand I use it as my main. However no matter how well I lubricate it and how many ever methods I use for lubrication, it never turns out as good as ones I’ve tried in competitions (I can’t access lubricants from the cubicle cuz I don’t think they deliver to my place and same goes for all the cubers whose cubes I’ve tried in comp)I usually use weight 3 and bans standard lube but it doesn’t seem to work well all the time and instead of making the cube quieter it’s makes it louder. Does anyone have a solution?
 
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Hello,
I apologize if my question is stupid. I will try to keep it short:

I have a Weipo which worked perfectly smooth out of the box. Because of that, I didn't bother getting lube yet. Then I decided to try Wuxia M, and it has this scratchy feeling. I solved it few times just to check it out, and it's still reeeeeally good, probably even better than the Weipo, but I am anxious of using it now. I don't have any lube at my place, the soonest I can get some will be on tuesday. I don't know if the Wuxia M is naturally scratchy or it needs some breaking in? I am scared of doing damage to the cube by solving it without any lube.

Similar question goes to my Valk 3. Even out of the box it was the best cube I ever had in my hands, but after around 1000 solves (according to twisty timer) it seems to slow down just a bit. Question is the same, is there a risk of damaging the cube if I use it without lube?

TLDR:
Can the cube get damaged if you use it without lube? If yes, how long would it take?
 
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I dont think cubes are designed to be used with lube. As far as i know lube can improve performance, but the lack of it will not damage the cube.

The cube is not made to be with lube,
Lube is made to be with cubes
Wow, I didn't expect such a quick answer, thank you :)
So what do you think about the scratchy feeling? Is it something normal / to be broken in?
I can use the cubes until my lubes arrive?

I would be grateful for others opinions too!
 
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Can the cube get damaged if you use it without lube? If yes, how long would it take?
Most cubes usualy feel realy smooth out of the box because it has been sitting in the stock lube for who knows how long
When it begins to get turned the stock lube is worked in more and it becomes a bit crunchier and scratchier, putting new lube in may fix this
 
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Can the cube get damaged if you use it without lube? If yes, how long would it take?
Solving cubes without lube does cause wear on the surface of the pieces as a result of friction. It makes the plastic less rough on the surface and cause a smoother feel but will not "break" the pieces. This will also happen when you use lube, but to a lesser extent. The scratchy feeling when you first turn the cube is the lack of wear on the surface.
 
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Solving cubes without lube does cause wear on the surface of the pieces as a result of friction. It makes the plastic less rough on the surface and cause a smoother feel but will not "break" the pieces. This will also happen when you use lube, but to a lesser extent. The scratchy feeling when you first turn the cube is the lack of wear on the surface.
Darja, so in other words using the cube without lube will make it smoother faster thus improving it? :p

Sweet. Thank you everyone for the responses. Maybe I'm being too careful, but I'm from Poland where getting good cubes can be an inconvenience so I want to make my last as long as possible.
 
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Darja, so in other words using the cube without lube will make it smoother faster thus improving it? :p

Sweet. Thank you everyone for the responses. Maybe I'm being too careful, but I'm from Poland where getting good cubes can be an inconvenience so I want to make my last as long as possible.
That's not the complete truth. There is this process called 'Breaking In' which describes the first couple of hundreds of solves where you grind down plastic to your turning style, you can say that this is improving it but it doesnt matter as much anymore in never cubes as it did some years ago.

For Poland I recommend looking into chinese puzzle stores as it's more convenient than US based stores
 
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Is wiping out the lube before relubing very important? If it is what happens if I don’t wipe out the lube?
Hmm. I think it's probably better to wipe out the old lube, but it probably won't be detrimental if you don't. I haven't had any problems with putting SCS Cosmic Lube in a cube with old lube, but most of the time I'll wipe the cube out when used weighted silicone lube. Hopefully that helps!
 
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I remember the "old" cubes myself. I even had some rubiks brands so I understand totally.

And don't worry, we can get the good stuff in Poland - we have shops that import from China, so the shipping time and price is better than straight from China, and that's what I do. But sometimes the choice isn't that good and the supply can be limited :/
That's not the complete truth. There is this process called 'Breaking In' which describes the first couple of hundreds of solves where you grind down plastic to your turning style, you can say that this is improving it but it doesnt matter as much anymore in never cubes as it did some years ago.

For Poland I recommend looking into chinese puzzle stores as it's more convenient than US based stores
 
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Hi,
I'm a speedcuber from Poland. In my area it's hard to get any brands that are usually mentioned (it's possible but the shipping would usually cost more than the lube and it would take ages). Local forums always mention some lubes that aren't made with cubes in mind, but are supposed to be good. However I found a speedcubing focused shop that sells it's own stuff made by a trusted chemical company.

They have 4 different lubes to choose from, one is supposed to be a hair product (not kidding). It's some oil that looks watery (but I might be wrong), I think I would avoid it even if it's actually good just because lube spilling out of the cube would annoy the hell out of me.

Another 2 are bottles that look almost exactly like Maru, except they are supposed to be much less watery. It says "silicone oil with organic solvents". I did research on that, silicone is what you want on the cubes instead of petroleum. So that should be something good? I'm worried about the "organic solvents" though, is it something that can damage the cube? The only difference between the oils should be the thickness.

And the last one is a silicone spray (looks pretty much like hairspray).

I have too many questions to ask actually...
Could any of those damage the cube?
Which one should I get? (I know, too vague). I am thinking about the spray one because it seems the most convenient, I would just spray once or twice inside and be done.
But in case I don't like the lube, how would I remove silicone? It's supposed to be waterproof.
Can / should I mix any of them? Like spray inside, the Maru like ones on the pieces?
Or the thicker oil on the core and lighter on the parts?

I will be grateful for all the advice.
If anyone wants to see the lubes, I can add links.
 
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Everything got so confusing when my posts were moved - now it looks like I'm introducing myself twice. Sorry for that and thanks for all the answers!
 
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I need help with my (black) Valk. (There is a difference with stickerless and black valks. Stickerless is much softer and smoother imo)
I can never get it to my liking, and it’s always bumpy and spring noise is frequent.
Before you say “get good lube”, I have prior experience in lubing cubes. I have traxxis 30k (core and pieces), dnm, Cubicle weight 2, and weight 4. So please refrain from beginner tips and maybe suggest certain lubes that go well with it.
I usually set it up with traxxis on screws and some on pieces, then maybe add some weight 2 or dnm.
Or it’s entirely possible that my valk is just a bad batch and/or I broke it in wrong (is this even possible?).
 
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