Blindsolving Discussion and Help

[aronpm]

What's 3OP and where is a good place to learn it? Also how fast is it in comparison to other methods such as BH and OP?

http://www.cubefreak.net/bld/3op_guide.php

3OP and OP are both "beginner methods" and in my opinion OP is better than 3OP.

(full) BH is an "advanced method" that takes the best of 3OP and OP: direct solving from OP, and 3-cycles from 3OP.

 

[AbstractAlg]

Decided to try TuRBo for both corners and edges. Algorithms aren't difficult at all, already learned them, now it's about practice.
I believe that turbo edges are faster than M2, if I get 5 seconds better, good.
Turbo corners will give me extra algs to work with, are indeed great step between OP and BH, so I'll try them, and in a weak I expect much lower times. I already did few solves with turbo corners and it's amazing when you know the alg for every plausible orientation, it's just awesomely easy.

@A Leman for URB-LUB-UFR I do use R' F' R : B' : R' F R : B . I changed few algorithms from sheet, to suit me best. Thanks for help, I will try TuRBo, see what happens.

@aronpm I had yesterday memo PB - 23s. 16s for edges, 7s for corners.

 

[A Leman]

What's 3OP and where is a good place to learn it? Also how fast is it in comparison to other methods such as BH and OP?

In 3OP you orient all the corners and then you permute them. Cubefreak talks about breaking cycles and such but his tutorial is the bare minimum of a 3OP solve and is also bad for good solves (monofliping every corner is just ridicules). I learned the pure 2-gen sunes and some extra algs (I think they were Chester Lian's) from the blindfold database and the wiki for the orientation and some interesting double transpositions for permutation. After putting that much work into 3OP, I thought it was fast, but I wanted to start using letters for memo. The memo is fast, because the orientation is visual and is only needed for a few seconds. I still like using 3OP for fun when there alot of cycle breaks.
3OP can be very fast since Feliks Zemdegs can solve sub 50 with M2/3OP.

Don't even try 3OP for edges; it's a disaster.
In my opinion speed-optimal three-cycles > BH > TuRBo ≥ 3OP > op


@A Leman for URB-LUB-UFR I do use R' F' R : B' : R' F R : B . I changed few algorithms from sheet, to suit me best. Thanks for help, I will try TuRBo, see what happens.

Thanks

 

[AbstractAlg]

What are nicer algorithms for:

UBR -> BLU -> RFU :: (F' L U2 L' F) (L F' U2 F L')

Cyclic shifts are fine, but it's not finger-frinedly at all.

Also,

UBR -> LBU -> RFU :: F2 L2 F' R2 F L2 F' R2 F' r: x y (R2 U R2 U' R2) D' (R2 U R2 U' R2) D y' x'

I have this two algorithms for sam case, but I really don't like them too, if you know some faster and finger-friendier algs...

P. S. TuRBo corners are amazing when compared to OP.

 

[aronpm]

What are nicer algorithms for:

UBR -> BLU -> RFU :: (F' L U2 L' F) (L F' U2 F L')

z' U R' U2 R' D2 R U2 R' D2 R2 U' z
cyclic shifts are best solved as setup to A9, imo

UBR -> LBU -> RFU :: F2 L2 F' R2 F L2 F' R2 F' r: x y (R2 U R2 U' R2) D' (R2 U R2 U' R2) D y' x'

y' x' R2 D2 R' U2 R D2 R' U2 R' x y
that's cool, I've always done it as y x L2 D2 etc

 

[AbstractAlg]

Those are pretty nice, thanks.

 

[A Leman]

What are nicer algorithms for:

UBR -> BLU -> RFU :: (F' L U2 L' F) (L F' U2 F L')

Cyclic shifts are fine, but it's not finger-frinedly at all.

Also,

UBR -> LBU -> RFU :: F2 L2 F' R2 F L2 F' R2 F' r: x y (R2 U R2 U' R2) D' (R2 U R2 U' R2) D y' x'

I have this two algorithms for sam case, but I really don't like them too, if you know some faster and finger-friendier algs...

P. S. TuRBo corners are amazing when compared to OP.

I use the cyclic shift for the first one because i actually grew to like it and i use x’ D2 L2 D’ R2 D L2 D’ R2 D’ x for the 2nd because it is very fast and does not feel like a cube rotation. Alot of my setups are 1 move rotations in my method so i didn't want 2 rotations.

 

[AbstractAlg]

@A Leman you mind sharing your TuRBo algs? you can PM me or put here, if you feel like sharing.
turbo corners are amazing. they improved everything on my bld solves, but turbo edges are real pain. i almost every time mess which pieces are not oriented well, and which are... aaargh... D:

anyway, it feels great to be learning something new and improving.

 

[Jakube]

Any ideas what the UWR for 6x6x6 Blindfolded is?

 

[Cubenovice]

How do you big cube guys cycle 4BLD centers Ulb - Ulf - Dlf ?

I found nothing better than f R - f U2 f' u2 f U2 f' - R' f' ...

 

[Jakube]

How do you big cube guys cycle 4BLD centers Ulb - Ulf - Dlf ?

I found nothing better than f R - f U2 f' u2 f U2 f' - R' f' ...

I think the fastest is this:
U l2 D r2 D' l2 D r2 D' U'
or with cube rotation:
y D l2 D r2 D' l2 D r2 D2 y'

 

[Cubenovice]

I think the fastest is this:
U l2 D r2 D' l2 D r2 D' U'
or with cube rotation:
y D l2 D r2 D' l2 D r2 D2 y'

THX!

 

[chardison1980]

starting to break into 4x4x4 bld

what is the best step to start with for learning to blind solve the 4x4x4,
i plan on going with the M2/U2 method.

 

[Zane_C]

what is the best step to start with for learning to blind solve the 4x4x4,
i plan on going with the M2/U2 method.

I suggest that you try learning r2 (similar to M2) for wings, commutators for centers and y-perm for corners. - Daniel's 4BLD tutorial.

 

[nickvu2]

I think the fastest is this:
U l2 D r2 D' l2 D r2 D' U'
or with cube rotation:
y D l2 D r2 D' l2 D r2 D2 y'

OMG, you just blew my mind! I've been doing some com with a nasty, nasty setup. =p

What would you do for Ulf - Urb - Dlf?

 

[ben1996123]

Any ideas what the UWR for 6x6x6 Blindfolded is?

The fastest I've heard of is 20 minutes.

 

[Jakube]

OMG, you just blew my mind! I've been doing some com with a nasty, nasty setup. =p

What would you do for Ulf - Urb - Dlf?

I would do: r' U' x (l' U' l u2 l' U l u2) x' U r

Your buffer is Ulf? Weird.

The fastest I've heard of is 20 minutes.

And by who?

 

[nickvu2]

I would do: r' U' x (l' U' l u2 l' U l u2) x' U r

Your buffer is Ulf? Weird.

That's the alg I already use. I just don't like the slice setup moves; it takes me a long time to work it out in my head.

Yep, Ulf is my buffer. Does no one else use that? That's my A sticker. I lettered my cube a long time before I knew of the Speffz convention.

 

[Moops]

I'm building an anki deck for letter pair images and I'm finding it's tedious work.
Is there somewhere I can find a generic pre-made deck used for blindfold cubing that I can steal and edit with my own images?

 

[Zane_C]

Is there somewhere I can find a generic pre-made deck used for blindfold cubing that I can steal and edit with my own images?

If you're asking about a letter pair list, yes.