No "general puzzle enthusiast" is going to go to a WCA competition. I respect that people want the 15-puzzle: It's a nice way to mix things up and It's very simple but but complex and a long enough event to have serious competition (unlike 2x2).
If no general puzzle enthusiast is going to a WCA competition, why add an event that caters to them instead of Redi Cube or something similar that caters to Cubers?
The 15-puzzle mixes things up, and it's fairly complex with a simple mechanism.
He's/She's a cuber, and they don't like it, like others. It may or may not be the majority, but it's an opinion.
The 32 is the possible number of permutations in the 2x4. Also, the shape affect how it bandages? Because, if not, my numbers should be right.
Why add 15 puzzles when we can add actual twisty puzzles? These kinds of things don't fit in the WCA. A lot of cubers I have met are interested in speedrunning, so according to your logic since cubers like it lets add speedruns as events. There are similarities between speedrunning and cubing so why not add speedruns as events? If cubers like something that does not classify it as an event.
Sure I don't, I'm not bob burton so I can't decide what happens with the WCA. I'm just giving my opinion on events being removed and added to the WCA, I'm not actually going to try and get 15 puzzle removed if it gets added. But the community should decide what events are added. (thanks for the poll on removing feet). I'm sure that more Cubers are interested in twisty puzzle events than something like 15 puzzle. Also, strawman argument with your first point, good job. 15 puzzle may be a puzzle, but the only similarities I can think of that compares it with traditional WCA events are few. I can only think of 2, 1. It has commutators, 2, all of the pieces are kept in a confined state for the solve aside from pops. Maybe you could say there are different solving methods, but that can be said for most puzzles that are not 1 solution like separate x from y. 15 Puzzle would be fun but I'm sure that other events would not only fit better into the current WCA, but the community would enjoy them more than 15 Puzzle.
I have never heard anyone at a competition ever in my 2 years of cubing say they would like 15 puzzle, nor have I heard it on discord. The first time I heard people wanting it as an event was on here when it was added to the weekly competitions. I have heard many people push for Kilominx and Redi Cube. I don't know if this is a regional thing, but from what I've heard and seen, Kilominx and Redi Cube are by far more popular. I have seen people posting their Redi cube averages, Kilominx algs, and Master Pyraminx PB's left and right for as long as the puzzles existed. I have never seen a single 15 puzzle average in my life. I don't know if this is a case of small sample size or what but I for one am certain that Kilominx, Redi cube, or Master Pyra would be better received. I'm not trying to act as the whole community, I'm just adding my opinion into an opinion-oriented site in an opinion-oriented thread based on an opinionated idea.
I have not looked for Redi Cube or Kilominx averages, I just see them posted on Reddit and Discord, ETC. Also, good luck on your 15 puzzle, IDK what a good average is but I hope you get better. As for me, I will continue to work at sub 15 for Redi Cube. I'm interested to see what 15 puzzle looks like at a competition as an unofficial event. I have seen Kilominx work quite well and Redi Cube works well too. I'm just saying we should add the events that people want the most. I'm not opposed to adding 15 puzzle to the WCA forever, I'm just saying we should add actual twisty puzzles that more of the community would participate in.
If you could not tell by the post, many more people are interested in events other than 15 puzzle. If 15 puzzle becomes more popular than them then I do think we should add it. But as of right now, there are not enough people that do 15 puzzles to sustain it as an event compared to Kilominx and Redi Cube. Also just because its an event does not mean hardware would get better than it is. Do you know how hard it is to get a good clock? Sure companies like Moyu have said they are working on a clock, but that was almost 4 years ago. We already have decent hardware for Redi Cube and Kilominx. Why not add those right now since the community has already found good hardware, good methods, and good scramblers.
Have you ever tried solving a Magic before? To me it sounds like you're probably not aware of how it moves. It moves very differently from what you might expect by simply seeing a picture. The strings that bind it together make it move in very unusual ways.
You still don't know for sure that people don't want Kilominx or Redi Cube, you're just assuming based on your group of friends and your opinion
I don't understand what you are getting at. I'm against the addition of 15 puzzle. Not because I want to feel right, not because I hate 15 in general, it's because it's not as popular as other events and as we know with feet the WCA does not like events that are not popular, not to mention more people would enjoy Kilominx and Redi Cube so they should be added first. Also, the poll was not to show why 15 puzzle should not be added. It was to show why Kilominx and Redi Cube should be added. They have a huge following and if anything deserves to get added its Kilominx since it's by far the most popular unofficial event. 15 puzzle was not on the poll because, say it with me, 15 puzzle is not a twisty puzzle. Let's add Twisty Puzzles instead of 15 puzzle, because the WCA is made for TWISTY PUZZLES.
