What cubes should be removed from the WCA?

[ProStar]

I don't understand what you are getting at. I'm against the addition of 15 puzzle. Not because I want to feel right, not because I hate 15 in general, it's because it's not as popular as other events and as we know with feet the WCA does not like events that are not popular, not to mention more people would enjoy Kilominx and Redi Cube so they should be added first.

You still don't know for sure that 15 Puzzle isn't popular.

Also, the poll was not to show why 15 puzzle should not be added. It was to show why Kilominx and Redi Cube should be added. They have a huge following and if anything deserves to get added its Kilominx since it's by far the most popular unofficial event.

Again, I'm not against Kilominx or Redi Cube. I own both and enjoy solving them. I'm against you thinking everyone hates 15 Puzzle

15 puzzle was not on the poll because, say it with me, 15 puzzle is not a twisty puzzle. Let's add Twisty Puzzles instead of 15 puzzle, because the WCA is made for TWISTY PUZZLES.

Ok, I'll be throwing clock away then

 

[Sub1Hour]

Again, I'm not against Kilominx or Redi Cube. I own both and enjoy solving them. I'm against you thinking everyone hates 15 Puzzle

Why do you think I think everyone hates 15 Puzzle. I have said I don't. I don't hate 15 puzzle. It's an interesting puzzle, it just does not fit in the WCA. Why do you think I think everyone hates 15 Puzzle? I, however, think that 15 puzzle does not have enough people in the community interested in it becoming an event compared to Kilominx.

 

[alexiscubing]

I would be fine with clock and 15 puzzle together
but if 15 puzzle was added I would also want other events
I don't think any event should be removed, but events such as clock, kilominx, master pyra and 15 puzzle should be on a yearly basis, events switch out every year

 

[alexiscubing]

Also I don't think people should go to a comp if they only know 15 puzzle or clock, they should maybe make a regulation that everyone has to compete in 1 of 2-7, side events (not clock) Oh, FMC or BLD
I knonw that some people only ever do 1 wca event in their cubing careerv(zeeshan Khokhar and others) but 15 puzzle is slightly closer to bordering the "unpopular event" list

 

[ProStar]

Why do you think I think everyone hates 15 Puzzle. I have said I don't. I don't hate 15 puzzle. It's an interesting puzzle, it just does not fit in the WCA. Why do you think I think everyone hates 15 Puzzle? I, however, think that 15 puzzle does not have enough people in the community interested in it becoming an event compared to Kilominx.

Okay, you don't hate the puzzle, you think no one likes it. Better phrasing for you?

I would be fine with clock and 15 puzzle together
but if 15 puzzle was added I would also want other events
I don't think any event should be removed, but events such as clock, kilominx, master pyra and 15 puzzle should be on a yearly basis, events switch out every year

I personally am more in favor of a tiered system, but that could be cool

Also I don't think people should go to a comp if they only know 15 puzzle or clock, they should maybe make a regulation that everyone has to compete in 1 of 2-7, side events (not clock) Oh, FMC or BLD
I knonw that some people only ever do 1 wca event in their cubing careerv(zeeshan Khokhar and others) but 15 puzzle is slightly closer to bordering the "unpopular event" list

Why would you want a regulation that forces someone to compete in certain events? If someone only likes clock, there's nothing wrong with them only competing in it

 

[Sub1Hour]

Okay, you don't hate the puzzle, you think no one likes it. Better phrasing for you?

Do me a favor and google "Straw man fallacy" Then come back and we can actually discuss things.

 

[ProStar]

Do me a favor and google "Straw man fallacy" Then come back and we can actually discuss things.

Sorry about not responding right away, I was eating dinner(grilled chicken, actually really good. Didn't want to rush). Anyway,

I'm just saying we should add the events that people want the most. I'm not opposed to adding 15 puzzle to the WCA forever, I'm just saying we should add actual twisty puzzles that more of the community would participate in.

You're absolutely saying that people don't like 15 Puzzle, which as I have said, you don't know for sure. I was directly answering your point of saying people don't like 15 Puzzle that much

 

[Sub1Hour]

You're absolutely saying that people don't like 15 Puzzle, which as I have said, you don't know for sure. I was directly answering your point of saying people don't like 15 Puzzle that much

I am saying that, but you forgot one key point. " as much as Kilominx or Redi Cube". Now let's add them together, "You're absolutely saying that people don't like 15 Puzzle as much as Kilominx or Redi Cube" There we go. What is your take on that?

 

[ProStar]

I am saying that, but you forgot one key point. " as much as Kilominx or Redi Cube". Now let's add them together, "You're absolutely saying that people don't like 15 Puzzle as much as Kilominx or Redi Cube" There we go. What is your take on that?

I still say you don't know for sure or have solid proof

 

[ProStar]

I'd also like to say that I'd rather have Redi Cube added over 15 Puzzle

 

[brododragon]

Have you ever tried solving a Magic before? To me it sounds like you're probably not aware of how it moves. It moves very differently from what you might expect by simply seeing a picture. The strings that bind it together make it move in very unusual ways.

At first glance, it looks to me like it might be true that there are 32 possible permutations of completely flat Magic if you only count the starting and finishing shapes, but don't count any other possible shapes. But of course, the biggest challenge to solving a scrambled Magic would be getting to one of those shapes to begin with. And considering how many people's Magics I used to "fix" at competitions back when it was an event, it seems like it is certainly somewhat of a challenge to solve a scrambled Magic for a large percentage of the competitors back then! (And even more so if considering Master Magic!)

I've been playing with my Magic now for quite a few minutes. I always forget how much fun the puzzle is until I pick it up and play with it for a while and remember.

I was referencing a previous statement where I said that there are 32 permutations of the tiles times 1,351 possible shapes, giving you a total of 43,232 states. I realized I didn't take into account shapes, but now I have, so, as far as I can see (not far) it's correct.

 

[Mike Hughey]

I was referencing a previous statement where I said that there are 32 permutations of the tiles times 1,351 possible shapes, giving you a total of 43,232 states. I realized I didn't take into account shapes, but now I have, so, as far as I can see (not far) it's correct.

Where are you getting these numbers from? How are you counting the permutations? Where did you get 1351 shapes from?

 

[brododragon]

Where are you getting these numbers from? How are you counting the permutations? Where did you get 1351 shapes from?

Wikipedia, but I've checked all of Wikipedia's sources and I don't think anyone cares about Magic enough to troll.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Wikipedia, but I've checked all of Wikipedia's sources and I don't think anyone cares about Magic enough to troll.

Thank you - that is a useful resource. The 32 actually means there are twice as many possibilities for the start configuration as I originally thought. The total number of "theoretically" possible shapes of the chain is an interesting one. It's not exactly a direct translation to number of 3-dimensional shapes, but realistically, the number of 3-dimensional shapes that are actually reachable is probably less than that.

 

[brododragon]

It's not exactly a direct translation to number of 3-dimensional shapes, but realistically, the number of 3-dimensional shapes that are actually reachable is probably less than that.

They probably counted different orientations of the same shape as different, so that would make sense.

 

[Cody_Caston]

15 puzzle could have its own association because its not a twisty puzzle (same as clock)

 

[Auric Cui]

I say FMC, 2x2, or megaminx should go. FMC is just, werid. 2x2 is a waste of time and so is megaminx (Not to offend those who like these events)

 

[Jay Cubes]

I say FMC, 2x2, or megaminx should go. FMC is just, werid. 2x2 is a waste of time and so is megaminx

ive heard bad opinions on wca events but dont talk to me ever again

 

[Deleted member 36445]

I say FMC, 2x2, or megaminx should go. FMC is just, werid. 2x2 is a waste of time and so is megaminx

I agree that those events are waste of time if you're bad at them

 

[White KB]

I agree that those events are waste of time if you're bad at them

I'm so bad at those. My best results are a 5.12 average/3.55 single in 2x2, 2:38.77 average/2:22.03 single in mega, and a 47 move single in FMC. Regardless, I don't think they should be removed from the WCA.

EDIT: I just realized that originally when I went to this thread I thought Clock should be removed. Bleh, past me. The QiYi Magnetic is the way to go, so stop complaining about how Clock is bad.