The New Method / Substep / Concept Idea Thread

[Cubingcubecuber]

Wait. L5EO? What about the DF edge?

That is EO-ing 5 edges: UB, UL, UF, UR, and DF

 

[brododragon]

That is EO-ing 5 edges: UB, UL, UF, UR, and DF

But you have 6 unsolved edges: UB, UL, UR, UF, DF, and FL/FR (Depending on which pair you solve).

 

[fuzzballcat]

This thread has kinda died... so here's something to talk about:

Super floppy cube 1-look method? (Regular floppy cube 1-look is easy)

 

[ProStar]

I beg to differ. This thread isn't dead, it has simply not been posted in for a few hours.

 

[brododragon]

I beg to differ. This thread isn't dead, it has simply not been posted in for a few hours.

Well, relative to this same thread a month ago, it's pretty inactive.

 

[Cubingcubecuber]

But you have 6 unsolved edges: UB, UL, UR, UF, DF, and FL/FR (Depending on which pair you solve).

?
3 pairs in step one, one more in step two
6 edges in step one, 1 edge in step two 12(total)-6-1=5

 

[brododragon]

I’d just thought I should jot down this idea some where. It’s just a way to utilize luck or even influence it (In Petrus and maybe ZZ? Dunno if you could do it in ZZ). Basically the idea is that if you see a 2x2x1 block form (or start to form and influence it whilst solving), you can preserve it, leaving you with an easy COLL case and an EPLL skip.

Now that I think about it, it’s kinda like phasing.

 

[ProStar]

I’d just thought I should jot down this idea some where. It’s just a way to utilize luck or even influence it (In Petrus and maybe ZZ? Dunno if you could do it in ZZ). Basically the idea is that if you see a 2x2x1 block form (or start to form and influence it whilst solving), you can preserve it, leaving you with an easy COLL case and an EPLL skip.

Now that I think about it, it’s kinda like phasing.

So instead of using ZZLL for Petrus you use this?

 

[brododragon]

So instead of using ZZLL for Petrus you use this?

At a more advanced level, you could. This is because you could more easily influence the formation 2x2x1. But for less advanced solvers, it would just be a luck thing.

Now that I think about it, you could do a less advance method (not just pure influence). It would go like this:
1. 2x2x2
2. 2x2x3
3. EO
4. 2x2x1 like F2L, but on top
5. F2L
6. COLL
You could switch around 3 and 4.

Do you think that pure influence is the only viable option? Or could devoting a full step to the 2x2x1 be worth it, too?

 

[fuzzballcat]

I beg to differ. This thread isn't dead, it has simply not been posted in for a few hours.

Whoopsies, saw the wrong timestamp :rolleyes: (I look really stupid now).
Although, brododragon does have a point.

 

[Cubingcubecuber]

Has someone proposed a 1LLL in which you see the case, than do a pure OLL and PLL without a pause because you saw the PLL that is unaffected by the OLL

 

[brododragon]

Has someone proposed a 1LLL in which you see the case, than do a pure OLL and PLL without a pause because you saw the PLL that is unaffected by the OLL

I think it would be better to just do normal oll and see the PLL during the oll.

 

[zimlit]

LCE or lines, corners, edges
So recently I was messing with corners first and came up with this
1. first you build two 1x1x3 lines on the L and R sides of the cube
2. CMLL
3. solve 1-2 edges on the top layer
4. do a z rotation then solve the edges until there is one missing on L and two missing on R
5. L7E

Big cube variant
1. solve top and bottom centers
2. partial lines solve two sets of 1 corner plus one dedge on the d layer and place one dedge in between the two corners
3. finish centers
4.solve one of the remaining cornes as well as a dedge then do 3-2-3 edge pairing
5. 3x3+parity

Spoiler: Notes

When solving edges in step 4 you solve them in pairs

 

[Chris_Cube]

@zlimit
Sounds to me like Waterman mix with LMCF with a bit of Salvia.

@others
I am searching Information about WaterZZ but I can't find this anywhere. So if someone has some useful links i would be grateful

 

[RedstoneTim]

I am searching Information about WaterZZ but I can't find this anywhere. So if someone has some useful links i would be grateful

https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/ZZ_method#General_Variants and https://sites.google.com/view/zzmethod/solving/variants (under "
Completely different ways of solving the cube ZZ style")

 

[zimlit]

@zlimit
Sounds to me like Waterman mix with LMCF with a bit of Salvia.

seems accurate

 

[Chris_Cube]

Do you know the average movecount? The Idea is interesting though

 

[Chris_Cube]

So I also came up with a new Idea. It's called ZZ-Salvia. Steps are:
1. EO+Line( Edges like in Salvia)
2. First Layer like Salvia
3. COLL
4. PLL because of already doing Orientation
Opinions on that?

 

[ProStar]

So I also came up with a new Idea. It's called ZZ-Salvia. Steps are:
1. EO+Line( Edges like in Salvia)
2. First Layer like Salvia
3. COLL
4. PLL because of already doing Orientation
Opinions on that?

I think plain ZZ is way better, because for salvia you need to take 2 separate steps to solve F2L, instead of just doing pairs. Also ZBLL could be used instead of COLL/PLL

 

[zimlit]

Do you know the average movecount? The Idea is interesting though

Assuming you’re talking about my idea, I’m not sure but I would guess it to be around 45-55