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Do you mind if I could have a link to this?Any serious discussion about this would exist on the regulations GitHub, which is public.
Do you mind if I could have a link to this?Any serious discussion about this would exist on the regulations GitHub, which is public.
https://github.com/thewca/wca-regulations/issuesDo you mind if I could have a link to this?
You don't have to think whether there are shapes that are very many moves from cubeshape, because someone has already computed the distance distribution. A few percent of states (rare, but not especially unlikely) are 25 moves or further away from cube, with the maximum possible distance being 28 moves.I don't think there are any shapes that are very many moves from cubes, so I don't think it will be any harder than squan.
Thanks, that post is fantastic. I didn't realize the extent to which this puzzle could jumble (I thought there would be at most 1000 shapes).You don't have to think whether there are shapes that are very many moves from cubeshape, because someone has already computed the distance distribution. A few percent of states (rare, but not especially unlikely) are 25 moves or further away from cube, with the maximum possible distance being 28 moves.
(Additional complication: on the square-1, the scrambler actually solves CSP, not just cubeshape. The analogue of CSP on a Curvy Copter would be much more complicated, and may increase the average/maximum distance a lot.)
Of course it's gonna be more complicated to scramble, the jumbling has far more possibilities. It would be fine for competitions if the scrambles were 60 moves or even more, since the competitors will mostly be taking far longer to solve this puzzle than a squan.Something I thought about is the shape argument using squan. While it probably wouldn’t harder to deal with than squan, it still invariably is more complicated to scramble. Both will change shape, but with squan, the shape is changed only by turning the U/D layers and slicing. However, the jumbling on the CC can by done on many sides so I do think it is more complicated and not a perfect comparison, albeit close. I think it may be difficult to do the scrambling images cleanly. I do believe Sion had a pretty good idea about the +/- for doing jumbling moves though!
Yeah. I brought that up because I was proposing using non humbling initially until a good system is in place for jumbling. People then compared that to cubeshspe only scrambles which i wanted to show isn’t a perfect analogy because the CC has many more axis that can turn and change shape.Thanks, that post is fantastic. I didn't realize the extent to which this puzzle could jumble (I thought there would be at most 1000 shapes).
Of course it's gonna be more complicated to scramble, the jumbling has far more possibilities. It would be fine for competitions if the scrambles were 60 moves or even more, since the competitors will mostly be taking far longer to solve this puzzle than a squan.
It would also see a huge development in hardware as right now there's only 2 or 3 kilo minx's out therea kilominx would be a cool event,but i can't see the event list expanding for a long time due to it being hard to fit in 18 events anyway
if feet does actually get removed though,something like kilominx could replace that
Master Pyraminx!It would also see a huge development in hardware as right now there's only 2 or 3 kilo minx's out there
https://tiermaker.com/create/wca-event-additions-54390 someone shared this tier list template a while ago.
heres mine (last places are for puzzles i dont know much about)
Mirror BLD, without inspection. Really not such a stupid idea. Plenty of other events are worse, including some official ones. And I personally love this one because it would even the playing field for actual blind competitors, like the couple we have occasionally post on this forum. But I do recognize the logistical difficulty.Bruh why would you want mirror bld? stupid idea
rescramble is basically BLD but without a blindfoldisnt re-scramble just inverse speedbld?
anyway for things not in the template, my personal bias wants jings pyraminx to replace both pyraminx and skewb.
Master kilominx and gigaminx will be the same, since they take a long time to solve, at least longer than solving a 7x7.Hardware are not well developed. However, adding more than 1 cuboid may not always make an event useless to be added. For example, Master Pyraminx, do not take a long time to solve. QiYi and Sheng Shou have made speed master pyraminx, so the hardware are not bad.a lot of the suggestions on the tier list would be really repetitive imo
stuff like 8x8 and 9x9 and 6BLD just add time and there would be no use to adding more than 1 cuboid
if people really like unnoficial events,add them to a comp you host or do them add home and try to get UWR
the bigger the community around an event,the more chance it has of being official
the best people at master kilominx take around 4 minutes,so i guess it would be too longMaster kilominx and gigaminx will be the same, since they take a long time to solve, at least longer than solving a 7x7.Hardware are not well developed. However, adding more than 1 cuboid may not always make an event useless to be added. For example, Master Pyraminx, do not take a long time to solve. QiYi and Sheng Shou have made speed master pyraminx, so the hardware are not bad.