The New Method / Substep / Concept Idea Thread

[Username: Username:]

WVCP has 378 algs (including mirrors), and ELL has 29, which is 407 algs, and VH method uses 525 algs

Look, your description of the VH method is 525 algs which is way more than what VH actually has, what you're talking about is the ZB method which is 799 algs.

edit: VH actually has 525 algs hhahahahahah but you were saying that VH is ZBLS + ZBLL which is wrong cause VHLS requires the pair to be made and ZBLS doesn't which makes VH a 3LLSLL method.

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

VH method - Speedsolving.com Wiki

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

Look, your description of the VH method is 525 algs which is way more than what VH actually has, what you're talking about is the ZB method which is 799 algs.

edit: VH actually has 525 algs hhahahahahah but you were saying that VH is ZBLS + ZBLL which is rong.

I never said VH was ZBLS and ZBLL

 

[Username: Username:]

I never said VH was ZBLS and ZBLL

Oh wait I misread your post above this page as ZBLS kek

 

[PetraPine]

The edge pairing can be done intuitively so actually like ~500 algs plus intuitive edge orientation I could do that every solve efficiently if I wanted to, you would just need to learn petrus and zz styles of edge orientation and apply whatever is best through the solve.

So I personally don't the think ZB is actually 799 algs.

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

The edge pairing can be done intuitively so actually like ~500 algs plus intuitive edge orientation I could do that every solve efficiently if I wanted to, you would just need to learn petrus and zz styles of edge orientation and apply whatever is best through the solve.

So I personally don't the think ZB is actually 799 algs.

It does if you do ZBLS with algs

 

[Username: Username:]

It does if you do ZBLS with algs

Intuitive ZBLS is basically 2 look VHLS cause people usually form the pair then do sledge or move the pair to a position to do sledge which is 2 look VHLS

 

[PetraPine]

Im just saying top 3x3 solvers basically do ZB with out the edge orienting algs, also it is fundamentally worse because it's only for last slot orientation while you could do intuitive edge orientation throughout any point of f2l
I find the 799 algs worse and misleading

 

[Username: Username:]

Im just saying top 3x3 solvers basically do ZB with out the edge orienting algs, also it is fundamentally worse because it's only for last slot orientation while you could do intuitive edge orientation throughout any point of f2l
I find the 799 algs worse and misleading

Do they make the pair then do sledge after that? then that's VH bruh

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

ZBLS is objectively better than intuitive VHLS

 

[PetraPine]

That's not what I'm saying to do
F2l plus edge orientation into zblls,
It is better to do it at any point, NOT just last slot

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

That's not what I'm saying to do
F2l plus edge orientation into zblls,
It is better to do it at any point, NOT just last slot

Then you'll mess up the EO at last slot

 

[PetraPine]

And again doing edge orientation at any point through f2l is more efficient, and its what top solvers do because of this

 

[Username: Username:]

That's not what I'm saying to do
F2l plus edge orientation into zblls,
It is better to do it at any point, NOT just last slot

That depends on the situation also, doing edge control before LS is NOT ZBLS.

 

[PetraPine]

Then you'll mess up the EO at last slot

No?
If youre facing the right way, and all edges are oriented that won't happen... If it did how could I and a multitude of other cubers apply it...

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

It's way more efficient to do ZBLS, bruh

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

No?
If youre facing the right way, and all edges are oriented that won't happen... If it did how could I and a multitude of other cubers apply it...

You can do it, but it's less efficient since you can't do f moves, so you'll have to pair it up differently, which would take longer

 

[Username: Username:]

I think you're both wrong xD cause there's a time where doing edge control doing F2L is more efficient and doing ZBLS is more efficient.

 

[PetraPine]

It's way more efficient to do ZBLS, bruh

Not in most situations it literally isn't, last slot is restrictive making edge orientation worse depending on the case.

 

[PetraPine]

I think you're both wrong xD cause there's a time where doing edge control doing F2L is more efficient and doing ZBLS is more efficient.

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