[Help Thread] OLL and PLL Discussion

[Cubing Forever]

you have to use finger push fingertrick, the flow is amazing.
in my case I can't do S moves.
so he has to go trough each alg and find out with suits he better

S moves are actually quite easy! I thought so at first too but now almost all of my OLLs include them.

S': Just lefty index F' but on the S slice
S: The same with the right hand.

(You know what I mean right?)

Also, check out Brian Sun's channel for these awesome algs. He has OLL and PLL sheets in his channel description which are worth checking out.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

S moves are actually quite easy! I thought so at first too but now almost all of my OLLs include them.

S': Just lefty index F' but on the S slice
S: The same with the right hand.

(You know what I mean right?)

I use just the bad "d" OLL with S moves. When I do S turns I tend to turn two layers accidentally or cause lockups

Spoiler: The oll I'm talking about

here it is my execution of OLL 29:

 

[FishyIshy]

I did try them but fingertricks were so awkward. My awkward shapes include S moves too. For eg. S' R U R' U' R' F R F' U S. Fingertricks are a bit awkward at first but in the long run, they're better.

Algs that I use:
29: S' R U R' U' R' F R F' U S
30: S' R' U' R f R' U R U' F'
41: (Sune) F R U R' U' F'
42: (Backsune) F R U R' U' F'

Don't do S moves. The F move algs are pretty fast and I use most of them too

 

[Cubing Forever]

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I use just the bad D OLL with S moves, I have to try others to get the hang of it. I tend to turn two layers accidentally

Hey, this one's actually the best alg for the case. I use it's mirror too
@FishyIshy They're faster for me. I actually tried them out for fun but they turned out to be faster for me. I'm not quoting bc of double post problems.

 

[FishyIshy]

Hey, this one's actually the best alg for the case. I use it's mirror too
@FishyIshy They're faster for me. I actually tried them out for fun but they turned out to be faster for me. I'm not quoting bc of double post problems.

I feel like the one that I use is actually better because you can do it pretty fast. It is als less risky.

I use R U R' U' R U' R' F' U' F R U R'

 

[EngiNerdBrian]

I like these algs from the cubehead OLL pdf. Two of them are just sune and anti-sune with a T case and the other two I find quite easy to execute and flow well.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

I like these algs from the cubehead OLL pdf. Two of them are just sune and anti-sune with a T case and the other two I find quite easy to execute and flow well. View attachment 14444

Nice! I'm gonna use those algs myself

 

[Deleted member 55877]

Let me just say this. The S move algs for 29 and 30 are the best algs, if you are good as S moves. Not everyone is good as S moves, and to those people I'd recommend the rUD algs. But the S move algs are objectively the best.

 

[Cubing Forever]

Let me just say this. The S move algs for 29 and 30 are the best algs, if you are good as S moves. Not everyone is good as S moves, and to those people I'd recommend the rUD algs. But the S move algs are objectively the best.

Should I switch to the S move algs for 41 and 42 or just stick to Sune F sexy F' and mirror?

 

[Deleted member 55877]

Should I switch to the S move algs for 41 and 42 or just stick to Sune F sexy F' and mirror?

As I said, it depends on whether you are good as S moves or not. In my opinion S moves are a must for everyone to learn and get comfortable with, but some people disagree and prefer the traditional (and often slower) RUF stuff

 

[Cubing Forever]

As I said, it depends on whether you are good as S moves or not. In my opinion S moves are a must for everyone to learn and get comfortable with, but some people disagree and prefer the traditional (and often slower) RUF stuff

I agree with you but Brian's S move algs for 41 and 42 are slower than standard for me. Otherwise, almost all of my OLLs have S moves

 

[Deleted member 55877]

I agree with you but Brian's S move algs for 41 and 42 are slower than standard for me. Otherwise, almost all of my OLLs have S moves

It seems like you just need to practice them more, because they should be faster

 

[abunickabhi]

Should I switch to the S move algs for 41 and 42 or just stick to Sune F sexy F' and mirror?

Yes I agree. The S move algs are pretty fast on modern cubes. Many OLLs do have cool algs which involve S slice turn.

 

[The Cubing Fanatic]

So ten out of my twelve adj PLL's have headlights on the left, the only two that aren't on the left are Rb and Ab. Would it be worth it to Rb from R' U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2 to R2 F R U R U' R' F' R U2 R' U2 R and Ab from r U' L D2' L' U L D2' L2' to x' L2 D2 L U L' D2 L U' L, in order to use cp recognition and know my auf before finishing OLL?

 

[boblovescubing]

I need help with g perms, could someone please help me?

 

[Deleted member 55877]

It's best to ask questions like these in a megathread like https://www.speedsolving.com/threads/one-answer-3x3x3-question-thread.50209/

To answer your question, I would recommend you watch Brody's video on G Perms.

Brody does a great job explaining how to differentiate the G Perms as well as breaking down the algs.

 

[boblovescubing]

Ok, thanks, I will keep an eye out for that later.

 

[Cubing Forever]

I need help with g perms, could someone please help me?

Tips while learning G perms:
1. Take it easy. Learn 1 alg a day.
2. Drill them nicely.
3. Don't be afraid of D moves and learn inferior algs.
4. For the Gb perm, don't use the alg mentioned in the video. Instead, use D R' U' R U D' R2 U R' U R U' R U' R2.

So ten out of my twelve adj PLL's have headlights on the left, the only two that aren't on the left are Rb and Ab. Would it be worth it to Rb from R' U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2 to R2 F R U R U' R' F' R U2 R' U2 R and Ab from r U' L D2' L' U L D2' L2' to x' L2 D2 L U L' D2 L U' L, in order to use cp recognition and know my auf before finishing OLL?

Don't commit the mistake of using inferior algs just for the sake of ROLL of CP recognition. If your OLL to PLL transition isn't smooth without CP recognition, then you ought to work on your PLL recognition a bit.
You should use x R2 D2 R U R' D2 R U' R with headlights on the right for Ab Perm

 

[Deleted member 55877]

Tips while learning G perms:
1. Take it easy. Learn 1 alg a day.
2. Drill them nicely.
3. Don't be afraid of D moves and learn inferior algs.
4. For the Gb perm, don't use the alg mentioned in the video. Instead, use D R' U' R U D' R2 U R' U R U' R U' R2.

I agree with everything except your last tip. First of all, it's best to do the first D move at the end instead of the beginning; so that you can AUF while simultaneously doing the D move, saving time. And Brody's alg is equally as good, it's not inferior or anything like that

 

[Cubing Forever]

I agree with everything except your last tip. First of all, it's best to do the first D move at the end instead of the beginning; so that you can AUF while simultaneously doing the D move, saving time. And Brody's alg is equally as good, it's not inferior or anything like that

First of all, I'm not saying that Brody's alg is inferior or anything. That was a reply to another post.
Next, Not every beginner can do D and eido U2' simultaneously and doubleflicking is awkward. That's why the D at the start is better for beginners. At a later stage, you can fix it.