[Help Thread] OLL and PLL Discussion

[ProStar]

First of all, I'm not saying that Brody's alg is inferior or anything. That was a reply to another post.
Next, Not every beginner can do D and eido U2' simultaneously and doubleflicking is awkward. That's why the D at the start is better for beginners. At a later stage, you can fix it.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

Learning an alg that's bad but easy to learn because "I'll fix it later" is a mistake that pretty much all of us have made at some point, and we've all regretted it. Just put in the minimal extra effort now instead of putting in twice the effort over time when you try to fix it. If you can't do a finger trick and it's the best alg, then either come back to it later or practice the finger trick a ton.

 

[Deleted member 55877]

Not every beginner can do D and eido U2' simultaneously

true, that's a good reason to start practicing it early on so that later you'll have more experience doing the fingertrick.

and doubleflicking is awkward.

that's obvious. RUD algs require you to support the cube with your middle finger, which makes doubleflicking considerably worse than eido

That's why the D at the start is better for beginners.

uh no. read what i said before. just because you suck at a fingertrick now doesn't mean you shouldn't start practicing it

At a later stage, you can fix it.

with this mindset you might as well just stick with 4LLL

 

[xyzzy]

Learning an alg that's bad but easy to learn because "I'll fix it later" is a mistake that pretty much all of us have made at some point, and we've all regretted it.

I don't consider it a mistake and I don't regret it.

It's sort of arguably true that you waste time by learning an easy alg first and then replacing it with a fast alg later, but it's easier to learn the fast alg as a replacement than to learn it right from the start (you already know how to recognise the case and the easy alg and the fast alg might have similarities) and sometimes the alternative to learning an easy alg is not learning any algs at all, rather than learning a hard alg.

When it comes to algs with weird fingertricks, you also should decide at some point whether the algs you're learning are "good enough", rather than constantly chasing for whatever some 10-year-old posts on their YouTube channel every other week – you'll never get good at the algs with weird fingertricks if you keep changing them around. This is in direct violation of the oft-repeated mantra that one should learn the best algs and only the best algs, and yet is a completely reasonable course of action.

(This is not an opinion I hold especially strongly, and surely part of it comes from trying to rationalise my "bad" alg learning decisions. On a meta level, however, I've seen (and am continuing to see) lots of people treating entirely subjective matters as if they're objective. (See also: the second section of this post in an unrelated thread where I rant about abusing the word "objective".) How one should approach learning something will differ from person to person; forcefully claiming that there's always a one-size-fits-all approach doesn't make said approach magically exist. Regardless of how true "you should learn only the best algs" is, there is very little evidence that it really is true, which means (i) you shouldn't state it as accepted fact and (ii) you should treat anyone stating it as accepted fact with a lot of scepticism, because you can't trust that anything else they say is founded on evidence.)

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Also, I do D-first RUD G perms, but there's this one ZBLL alg where I do D last because it seemed nicer that way.

 

[Sledgehammer]

Hey everyone I have good news and bad news, hood news is that I have 4 more algs till I learn full PLL, bad news is that they are G perms. Any tips?

 

[Scollier]

Hey everyone I have good news and bad news, hood news is that I have 4 more algs till I learn full PLL, bad news is that they are G perms. Any tips?

Yeah...G perms....I have been learning full PLL and then I hit a wall at the G perms. I just never got to learning them. I'd just say, take these slowly, really focus on the recognition, and make sure to execute the cases properly and not mix them up with the other 3.

 

[Sledgehammer]

Which is the hardest of the 4? Planning on keeping that for later...

 

[Scollier]

Which is the hardest of the 4? Planning on keeping that for later...

You might want to watch a PLL tier list video to figure that out, or just look at the alg, but imao, I would not procrastinate and get the hardest one over first.

 

[Sledgehammer]

Thank you,btw whats your favorite pll?

 

[BenChristman1]

Just learn them. There aren’t any tips except to use the RUD Ga, Gb, and Gd, and either use RUD for Gc or the R2 F2... one. It took me maybe an hour total to learn all of them comfortably and have them about the same speed as my other PLLs. Once again:

 

[Scollier]

Thank you,btw whats your favorite pll?

Jb perm ofc, not because of the youtuber (well partly) but also because in my opinion its the fastest PLL out there (and one less move than the T perm)

 

[OreKehStrah]

1. G Perms are not hard to learn. For recognition, at first just always put the headlights on the left side and then see where the 2x1 block is. It’s that simple. Then learn the RUD algs except for Gc. I personally use R2F2... although I might learn the RUD as well. Also as a side note, I think the Gb perm is the worst personally.
2. Don’t keep making threads like this. Use the help threads, mega threads, etc or make yourself a personal progress thread and put your developments there instead of making another pointless thread. Just this one thread doesn’t hurt, but when everybody on the forum takes up that mindset you can imagine how many repetitive and pointless threads will get made.

 

[Sledgehammer]

Day 1, Feb 1st
learnt the Ga Perm was the easiest I guess using Feliks' algs

 

[Deleted member 55877]

its the fastest PLL out there

This is most certainly not true. Although Jb is quite fast (I can get as fast as 0.55), there are several others that are considerably faster. Ja is faster (not including the x rotation), A is faster (even including the x rotation), and the U perms are WAYY faster. In fact, with the RUS alg I can execute Ua in 0.35.

 

[Sledgehammer]

This is most certainly not true. Although Jb is quite fast (I can get as fast as 0.55), there are several others that are considerably faster. Ja is faster (not including the x rotation), A is faster (even including the x rotation), and the U perms are WAYY faster. In fact, with the RUS alg I can execute Ua in 0.35.

I agree my favorite algs are the A Perms they are easy to execute and they are fairly short

 

[Sledgehammer]

Are there better PLL algs apart from JPerms and the one from cube skills?

 

[Deleted member 55877]

Are there better PLL algs apart from JPerms and the one from cube skills?

You might want to check out this website, it might be a little overwhelming at first but it should lots of algorithms to choose from (not just PLL!)

PLL - Speed Cube Database

Algorithms for PLL

www.speedcubedb.com

 

[Sledgehammer]

Thank you but are the Cube Skills algorithms any good?

 

[Deleted member 55877]

Thank you but are the Cube Skills algorithms any good?

Most of them are decent, but I would still recommend you look through speedcubedb.net to find better algs for cases that cubeskills show bad algs

 

[Sledgehammer]

Yeah I use Jperms V Perm and U perms

 

[Deleted member 55877]

Yeah I use Jperms V Perm and U perms

If you are referring to the MU algs, I would suggest you switch to RU or RUS instead. RU is almost as fast and more consistent, and since it's RU-gen there is no grip shift. RUS is less consistent but is by far the fastest, and it also doesn't have the grip shift problem.