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Sue Doenim

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You could do U' (R2' F R F') U2' R U2 (R' U' R) if you really don't want to rotate, but I don't know if the double U2 is worth it.
 

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Does anyone have a better algorithm than y' (L U2 L') (U L U' L')? This case is annoying for me, and I feel like there is a way to do this without a rotation.

Suggestions? Or should I stick with y' (L U2 L') (U L U' L')?
R' U R U' R' U R' F R F' R

or
F R U R2' U' R F' R' U' R
U2 F R U R U' R' U R2 U' F'

or just rotate
 

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Can someone provide me with a list of useful 4x4 and 6x6 parity OLL cancellation commutators?
???

If you're looking for using setup moves to solve OLL and OLL parity together, see:
https://web.archive.org/web/2011071....leidenuniv.nl/~mfung/speedcubing/algs/4x4x4/
http://hem.bredband.net/_zlv_/rubiks/4x4/444ollpar.html

(I also have a partial list of RrU 3-gen OLL parity algs but I gave up on completing it because most of the algs are horrible. This one is (relatively) nice though: R U 2R U R' U' r2 R U2' r2' U r U2' r' U2 r U' r2' U2' r'.)
 

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(Rw' U2 Rw2 U2 Rw U2) Rw' (U2 Rw U2 Rw2 U2 Rw') ?
Would help if you tell what method you use.
I think he meant the question for 5×5×5 L2E.

There's (R Bw R' D2)5, which is a regripless alg, but it's kind of long and the D2 moves suck. You could also just do a flip to convert it to a nicer L2E case: F U' R U r U2 r U2 x U2 r U2 3r' U2 l U2 r2.
 

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There's (R Bw R' D2)5, which is a regripless alg, but it's kind of long and the D2 moves suck.
I couldn't resist but to post this even longer algorithm of the same nature!

(L U Rw U' L' U2 )5

(The Rw move can be inverted to have the same effect, but I think this is the "regripless" version.)

@cuber314159, you can also check here in the wiki.
 
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SETUP: F U R2 D' R U' R' D R2 F' R' U R y

http://algdb.net/puzzle/333/coll/e2

I don't understand why everyone uses conjugated Y perm for this COLL case... what do you guys use and why?
All the algs in this set suck. At least if you use a conjugated Y perm, it's (i) not too much slower and (ii) you already have muscle memory for the alg.

This one is decent as a ZBLL alg: (y2) R' U R U' x' U L' U L U2 R U' R' U (x). As a COLL alg though, it has an x rotation at the end which makes transitioning into EPLL annoying.

(What I use, personally? I know ZBLL for half of this set and I've been putting off learning the other half since forever. soon(tm))
 

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SETUP: F U R2 D' R U' R' D R2 F' R' U R y

http://algdb.net/puzzle/333/coll/e2

I don't understand why everyone uses conjugated Y perm for this COLL case... what do you guys use and why?
Honestly the set up alg that you used isn't too bad. Brest's alg is nice, I should probably switch but I don't mind conjugated y-perm.
Wide T-perm also works (Rw U R U' Rw' F R2 U' R' U' R U2 R' U' F').

I do know all the ZBLLs for this set and can confirm that, as xyyxz said, the algs for this set aren't very nice.
 

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Honestly the set up alg that you used isn't too bad. Brest's alg is nice, I should probably switch but I don't mind conjugated y-perm.
Wide T-perm also works (Rw U R U' Rw' F R2 U' R' U' R U2 R' U' F').

I do know all the ZBLLs for this set and can confirm that, as xyyxz said, the algs for this set aren't very nice.
Brests alg IS conjugated y-perm
 

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That is definitely one of the worst sets. Conjugated Y perm isn't too bad imo. Here are all my ZBLL algs, in the order that alg.db lists them:
R' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' R
L' R' U2 L U2 R U' L' U R' U R U' L
(U') F2 R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F2
(U) R U' L U L' U R' U' l U2 R U2 R2 x
(U') r U R' U' r' F R U R' U' R F' R' U R
(U') R' U' R U L U' R2 D' R U R' D R2 L'
L U R' U L' U2 R U' R' L U L' U2 R
(U') R2 F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U2 R2 U R' U R
(U) F U R U2 R' U R U R2 F' r U R U' r'
(U2) F R2 U R' D R2 D' R U' R2 F' R U' R'
(U') r U R' U' r' F R2 U' R' U' R U2 R' U' F'
(U2) R U R' F R2 U R' D R2 D' R U' R2 F'

Hope this helps! And to be honest, just learn the whole set. And diag pi. They're the two where the ZBLL is worth it but not the COLL.
 
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