[Help Thread] OLL and PLL Discussion

[portreathbeach]

l' is L' + the middle layer, so you turn the 2 leftmost layers.

Of coarse. I thought it was an I.

Thanks for the videos also Rubix Cubix.

 

[Solvador Cubi]

If you're interested in starting with 2-Look OLL and/or PLL, then the algs on this sheet might help you:
http://solvexio.cf/app/#/FIXLL_OnePage


I generally use this method (plus several 1-look OLLs I know) except....

instead of that T-Perm, I use this J: R U’ L U2 R’ U R... U2 R’ L’
and in place of that E, I use this N: R U’ L U2 R’ U R... L’ U’ L U2 R’ U L’

they're nice because they start out the same and you can also memorize how the pairs move around the cube.


so any of these could start you on your way and can still be useful when/if moving to 1-Look OLL, PLL.


-= Solvador Cubi

 

[Riley M]

Hey I started with an Aolong V2 also! anyway, You can always go back and relearn an algorithm if you don't like one. I probably still use only around 20% of my original algorithms!

 

[portreathbeach]

I also have a QiYi MoFangGe to play with at work, no where near as good as the AoLong, but I'm still learning.

Anyway. So far I can build the cross on the bottom in under 10 moves without too much trouble (but not very quickly). I am then doing intuitive F2L, which is slowing me down loads compared to the 'beginners method', but I am getting better at it. Finding pieces to pair is my slowest thing.

I then do the cross on the top using the beginners method F R U R' U' F' or f R U R' U' f' depending when I have. Then I use the Sune alg to get the top colour all there. I then simply use the A perm alg to sort out the corners and then a U perm for the edges. I also know the H perm and the Z perm algs for the edges.

What do you suggest I start learning next while I'm practicing my cross and F2L?

 

[xyzzy]

What do you suggest I start learning next while I'm practicing my cross and F2L?

Full 4-look last layer. In particular, learn a 4-flip EO alg, and for each of the 7 CO cases, learn to do it in a single alg instead of 2 or more Sunes. You'll also need to learn at least one of these PLLs for when your corners need a diagonal swap: E, Na, Nb, V, Y.

 

[pglewis]

I also have a QiYi MoFangGe to play with at work, no where near as good as the AoLong, but I'm still learning.

Anyway. So far I can build the cross on the bottom in under 10 moves without too much trouble (but not very quickly). I am then doing intuitive F2L, which is slowing me down loads compared to the 'beginners method', but I am getting better at it. Finding pieces to pair is my slowest thing.

I then do the cross on the top using the beginners method F R U R' U' F' or f R U R' U' f' depending when I have. Then I use the Sune alg to get the top colour all there. I then simply use the A perm alg to sort out the corners and then a U perm for the edges. I also know the H perm and the Z perm algs for the edges.

What do you suggest I start learning next while I'm practicing my cross and F2L?

I think the next biggest bang for your buck would be full PLL. It's another area that'll slow you down initially but the payoff is good.

 

[pglewis]

Full 4-look last layer. In particular, learn a 4-flip EO alg, and for each of the 7 CO cases, learn to do it in a single alg instead of 2 or more Sunes...

Ah, I missed the fact they didn't have OCLL down yet. So, this ^^

 

[Tom Joad]

I've been using what is now called 2 look OLL for years.(I've been cubing that long before it even had a name) I have now decided to learn full OLL. I'm not trying to cheat learning all 57 Algs. Just asking about set ups. I noticed if I did Alg#33 from a solved state gave me Alg#37 and vice versa. Is there a list of set ups or how did you go about learning

A good way to set it up is to just repeat the algorithm from the solved state.

Although first it will turn into another oll, then another, eventually it will get back to solved.

 

[portreathbeach]

I visited algdb and copied a few algorithms down to start trying out and learning. I have found that most of the common algs use just the R and the U faces, I understand this is because these are easy faces to turn for a right handed person, but how do you manage to learn so many algorithms which are all so similar? I know people will say 'with lots of practice', but I am finding it quite overwhelming.

 

[JustAnotherGenericCuber]

I visited algdb and copied a few algorithms down to start trying out and learning. I have found that most of the common algs use just the R and the U faces, I understand this is because these are easy faces to turn for a right handed person, but how do you manage to learn so many algorithms which are all so similar? I know people will say 'with lots of practice', but I am finding it quite overwhelming.

Track what the algorithms do to the F2l pair(s). For a basic example, R U2 R2 F R F' R U2 R' can be broken down into (R U2 R') which takes out an F2L pair, then a sledge, then reinsert the pair with (R U2 R')

 

[portreathbeach]

Thanks for the help.

My F2L is getting quicker with practice, as is my cross. I have also learned the 2Look OLL algs, 21 - 27. They didn't take as long as I thought.

 

[XmanABQ]

Hello. I'm relatively new to cubing (about 2 years), and I've been learning some OLLs and PLLs for CFOP. My question is, should I learn all (78?) the algorithms? Or is a longer time worth a 4 look last layer?

 

[willtri4]

How fast are you and what method do you currently use? You should definitely learn 4LLL, then full PLL, then full OLL. Most people recommend learning PLL at around 35 seconds and OLL at around 20, but learning them earlier doesn't hurt, and it's possible (although harder) to get faster than that without them.

 

[XmanABQ]

I'm generally sub 40, never above 50. I know most PLLs (except G, F, V, and R)
I don't know any OLLs except for the easiest one (FRURUF) and the one that goes sexy move sledgehammer

 

[Aerospry]

I would start out by learning 4 look last layer, since the algs are simply part of OLL and PLL. After that, you can learn full OLL and PLL over time. I would just learn them whenever you feel like it.
That's what I did, and I was able to get sub 30 with 4 look. I now know full PLL and 1/2 of OLL, and I average around 17. To be truthful though, efficient F2L is what makes the difference in times.

 

[XmanABQ]

I know 4LLL and about half, maybe more of PLLs. OLL looks like an insane challenge

 

[EmperorZant]

Firstly, if you're learning CFOP, you should absolutely learn full OLL and PLL. It's very helpful and will make your solves faster and more consistent in the long run.

Second, almost everyone nowadays recommends that you learn 4LLL and then 2LLL; but honestly, it's up to you. You could just learn full PLL and/or full OLL right off the bat. For example: when first learning CFOP, I learned 2-Look OLL and full PLL, then slowly learned OLL's until I knew all 57.

2LLL takes longer to learn, but once you know it, you won't be in the habit of orienting edges then corners, or permuting corners then edges, etc. And more importantly, you'll also have those algorithms more practiced into your recognition/muscle memory, which will help you get used to them faster!

4LLL is a more beginner-friendly approach to learning CFOP, so I get why everyone recommends it, but don't feel like you have to learn CFOP that way. 2LLL is your goal, so get to it in whatever way you're most comfortable.

 

[Zerksies]

I've been cubing for 10 years. I have hand issues and will never be that fast. Right now i'm sub 30. But i know all my PLL's and i'm relearning all my Oll's. I'm about half way done. I not sub 20 and would need to learn all Oll's, but i have been doing it long enough that i should know them all. If your cubing more then a year, then you need to invest some time into learning them all. Most guys around here say it takes about a day per algorithm and i have to agree with that.

 

[xyzzy]

OLL looks like an insane challenge

Fun fact: you don't need full OLL. Or rather, you don't need to learn it all at once. Break it down into subsets, and learn those one at time. For instance, you could group it by the flipped edges: all edges oriented (7 cases; part of 4LLL so you already know this), adjacent flip (27 cases), opposite flip (15 cases) and all edges flipped (8 cases). Each of these subsets is a lot more manageable than trying to learn OLL as a gigantic chunk of 57 algs.

Or, if you really, really don't want to learn OLL, you can go with the ZZ method instead, where you need only the seven corner OLL cases. (Be wary of the ZBLL rabbit hole, though. Once you start, you can't stop.)

 

[I_<3_SCS]

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