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[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

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1) After OLL. What does ZB have to do with BLD?
2) here is a good list for ZBLL (doesn't have sune/antisune though)
3) look at how the F2L pairs move around the cube, break down into triggers, etc. Make sure you're comfortable with recognition, and practice the algs you've learned a lot. Take a break after each set of 72 (each OLL) and spend the time practicing what you know and solidifying it before moving on to the next OLL.
4) COLL so you know how to recognize the corners, and it's a pretty good stepping-stone overall. Plus then you'll already know some ZBLL's!

I assume you mean ZBLL and not full ZB, as ZBLS probably isn't worth the effort.
Also the blind thing I just want to be able to do blind as an option before learning ZB.
 
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So I am going to learn full ZB but I have multiple questions.
1) Should I start learning
A. When I get a successful blind solve
B. When I finish memorizing full oll
C. All of the above.
2) Where can I find my algs?
3) memorization tips.
4) should I learn other alg sets before I learn ZB?
If you have any general tips as well please send. Thanks!
1. Where are you with CFOP currently? I would recommend learning full PLL, OLL and COLL before trying out ZBLL at all
2. Just search around online or you can try to gen your own algs.
3. Chunk algs and drill like crazy, you will probably be spending more time drilling then solving if you do try out ZBLL
4. As I mentioned before PLL, OLL and COLL. Also mess around with doing eo at the same time as cross and oriented edges while solving your last pair, both aren’t always the best thing to do but can be nice to know.
 
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1. Where are you with CFOP currently? I would recommend learning full PLL, OLL and COLL before trying out ZBLL at all
2. Just search around online or you can try to gen your own algs.
3. Chunk algs and drill like crazy, you will probably be spending more time drilling then solving if you do try out ZBLL
4. As I mentioned before PLL, OLL and COLL. Also mess around with doing eo at the same time as cross and oriented edges while solving your last pair, both aren’t always the best thing to do but can be nice to know.
I am sub 19 in CFOP. I know full pll and half of oll.
 
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I would say that instead of going down the CFOP route, the ZZ route (with EOCross or, even better, XEOLine) is better.
1. Learn COLL apart from sunes while getting familiar with the method and also practicing blocks.
2. Once you've finished COLL and are comfortable with blocks+EOLine, switch to EOCross and start learning ZBLL.
3. Once you've finished learning ZBLL in less than 3 months, optimise your F2L.
4. Practice a lot.
5. NR time.
1. Learn OLL.
2. Learn COLL.
3. Learn ZBLL.
4. Use ZBLL 1/8 solves so it hardly effects how you solve.
5. Learn another few hundred ZBLS algs on top of ZBLL.
6. Realise ZZ would've been the better option.
 
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I would say that instead of going down the CFOP route, the ZZ route (with EOCross or, even better, XEOLine) is better.
1. Learn COLL apart from sunes while getting familiar with the method and also practicing blocks.
2. Once you've finished COLL and are comfortable with blocks+EOLine, switch to EOCross and start learning ZBLL.
3. Once you've finished learning ZBLL in less than 3 months, optimise your F2L.
4. Practice a lot.
5. NR time.
1. Learn OLL.
2. Learn COLL.
3. Learn ZBLL.
4. Use ZBLL 1/8 solves so it hardly effects how you solve.
5. Learn another few hundred ZBLS algs on top of ZBLL.
6. Realise ZZ would've been the better option.
I think I will take the ZZ route. ZZ seems fun and it seems like there are a lot of cool things you can do with it. Would you recommend any youcuber who has zz tutorials?
 
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I would say that instead of going down the CFOP route, the ZZ route (with EOCross or, even better, XEOLine) is better.
1. Learn COLL apart from sunes while getting familiar with the method and also practicing blocks.
2. Once you've finished COLL and are comfortable with blocks+EOLine, switch to EOCross and start learning ZBLL.
3. Once you've finished learning ZBLL in less than 3 months, optimise your F2L.
4. Practice a lot.
5. NR time.
1. Learn OLL.
2. Learn COLL.
3. Learn ZBLL.
4. Use ZBLL 1/8 solves so it hardly effects how you solve.
5. Learn another few hundred ZBLS algs on top of ZBLL.
6. Realise ZZ would've been the better option.
What is XEOLINE? Is it an EOLine with a pair, or is it 3/4 EOcross with a pair
 
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I have now officially switched to zz with a 39 average. I am going to get better at EO, and the learn coll and then EOCross and ZBLL. I am now part of the zz club!
 
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Nice! Welcome to the club! I would definitely recommend joing the ZZ discord and the speedsolving discord if you can, but no worries if not. Otherwise, don't be afraid to ask for help, either in DM or the various ZZ threads. And ZBLL as an end goal is a very good one imo.
 
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Nice! Welcome to the club! I would definitely recommend joing the ZZ discord and the speedsolving discord if you can, but no worries if not. Otherwise, don't be afraid to ask for help, either in DM or the various ZZ threads. And ZBLL as an end goal is a very good one imo.
Thank you! I might dm you pretty frequently If I have any specific questions. Also I dont do discord so I probably won’t be joining it. But thanks for the invite!
 
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Woah. I forgot this thread existed. It'd be nice to see if there are any ZZ solvers still active on the forums apart from the 5 or 6 that I know about. If you are, make yourself known and we can help each other out.
 
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